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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>8 votes</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org on behalf of Lee Belbin<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tue 2/12/2008 5:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'TAPIR mailing list'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Kevin Richards<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 2 December 2008 7:11 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Holetschek, Jörg; Wouter Addink; TAPIR mailing list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Me too, I've been thinking the same thing lately.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">count me too... even though i haven't been very active on these lists yet...</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>This would probably also help to avoid duplication of efforts and to produce more consistent results across the subgroups.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>On Dec 1, 2008, at 13:29, Holetschek, Jörg wrote:</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>One last question: is there a mailing list for specifically discussing conceptual aspects of Darwin Core, ABCD, etc (I haven't been able to find one) or is Tapir mailing list for that purpose?</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Holetschek, Jörg <<A href="mailto:j.holetschek@bgbm.org">j.holetschek@bgbm.org</A>> wrote:</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Dear Thomas,<BR><BR>the ABCD schema can handle such unbounded data - but the only TAPIR provider software that supports ABCD (pyWrapper) is not quite bug free. So you'd have to use the BioCASe protcol - which is apparently not your intention.<BR><BR>Cheers from Berlin,<BR>Jörg<BR><BR>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<BR>Von: <A href="mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</A><BR>[mailto:<A href="mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</A>]Im Auftrag von Tim Robertson<BR>(GBIF)<BR>Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. November 2008 16:22<BR>An: bar tomas<BR>Cc: <A href="mailto:tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</A><BR>Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><BR><BR>This is correct... largely it is used for transfer of detailed single<BR>specimen records.<BR><BR>That is not so say you could not define some schema that reuses sections<BR>of DwC or the TDWG vocabularies - you probably would have to get into<BR>custom provider software in that case (although maybe the current tools<BR>would allow for it - Renato could give advice for TAPIRLink on this).<BR><BR>Cheers<BR><BR>Tim<BR><BR><BR><BR>> Thanks a lot for the information.<BR>><BR>> I suppose when the record is composed of multiple specimens (whose<BR>> number<BR>> is recorded in ObservedIndividualCount) the individual attributes of each<BR>> specimen (age, sex, maturity, etc) cannot be stored.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Tomas Bar<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Tim Robertson <<A href="mailto:trobertson@gbif.org">trobertson@gbif.org</A>><BR>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Hi T. Bar<BR>>> You might consider the OBIS extensions for Darwin Core since you are<BR>>> concerned with marine stuff.<BR>>><BR>>> <A href="http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd" target=_blank>http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd</A><BR>>><BR>>> SampleSize: the size of the sample from which the<BR>>> collection/observation was drawn. It can be a volume (e.g. for a<BR>>> phytoplankton sample), a linear distance (e.g. for a visual transect or<BR>>> net haul), a surface area (e.g. for a benthic core), etc. This field<BR>>> must also include the units, e.g. 200 mfor a transect, or 0.25 m^2 for a<BR>>> benthic grab (use ^ to denote a superscript). Note that when multiple<BR>>> collections/observations are reported from the same physical sample, a<BR>>> code identifying the sample can be placed in the Field_Number field to<BR>>> allow all collections/observations from a single sample to be connected.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> IndividualCount is a count of specimens (e.g. not a count of species).<BR>>> If<BR>>> you want to indicate multiple species, then you would have a record for<BR>>> each<BR>>> along with the identification and the count of individuals of that<BR>>> species.<BR>>><BR>>> So in the OBIS schema you have:<BR>>><BR>>> ObservedIndividualCount: The number of individuals (abundance) found in<BR>>> a collection/record event.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Cheers,<BR>>><BR>>> Tim<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On 28 Nov 2008, at 17:05, bar tomas wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> Sorry if this question is misplaced in this discussion list, but I<BR>>> haven't been able to find a mailing list on the conceptual aspects of<BR>>> Darwin<BR>>> Core.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> I am interested to know if there are any recommendations on how to<BR>>> represent abundance in Darwin Core. I have seen some datasets using<BR>>> IndividualCount and SampleSize. For instance, for a fishing survey,<BR>>> would<BR>>> you use IndividualCount for the number of species in a catch, and<BR>>> SampleSize<BR>>> for the distance towed?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Thank you very much<BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> tdwg-tapir mailing list<BR>>> <A href="mailto:tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</A><BR>>> <A href="http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir" target=_blank>http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir</A><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>><BR><BR><BR>____________________________________________________________<BR>Tim Robertson<BR>Systems Architect<BR>Global Biodiversity Information Facility Secretariat (GBIF)<BR>Universitetsparken 15, 2100 Copenhagen Ø, Denmark<BR><A href="http://www.gbif.org/" target=_blank>http://www.gbif.org</A><BR><A href="mailto:trobertson@gbif.org">trobertson@gbif.org</A><BR>Phone: +45 35 32 14 87 (Office)<BR>Fax: +45 35 32 14 80<BR>____________________________________________________________<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>tdwg-tapir mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</A><BR><A href="http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir" target=_blank>http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir</A></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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