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color:#1F497D'>I like simple:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>7 votes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>TDWG Secretariat<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org
[mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Richards<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 2 December 2008 7:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Holetschek, Jörg; Wouter Addink; TAPIR mailing list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Me too, I've been thinking the same thing lately.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Just goes to show we should open our mouths and voice our
opinions more often. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>+1 vote<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>= 6 (total)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org
[mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Holetschek, Jörg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 2 December 2008 4:12 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> Wouter Addink; TAPIR mailing list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>count me too... even though i haven't been very active on
these lists yet...</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht-----<br>
<b>Von:</b> tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org
[mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org]<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Wouter Addink<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 15:18<br>
<b>An:</b> 'TAPIR mailing list'<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>+1 kudo</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Wouter</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Roger Hyam<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 01, 2008 3:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim Robertson<br>
<b>Cc:</b> TAPIR mailing list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Make that 3 votes total.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Roger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On 1 Dec 2008, at 14:03, Tim Robertson
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>+1 vote <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>+2 (total)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On 1 Dec 2008, at 14:59, Markus Döring
(GBIF) wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>As the average TDWG mailing list is not
exactly overloaded with posts, how about consolidating TDWG's mailinglists into
just 3?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>An announcement list for TDWG business
(tdwg+process), a technical one (TAG,GUID+TAPIR) and just a single content
one. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>This would probably also help to avoid
duplication of efforts and to produce more consistent results across the
subgroups.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Just an idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Markus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On Dec 1, 2008, at 13:29, Holetschek, Jörg
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:blue'>Tomas,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>there's a wiki you might find interesting: <a
href="http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/">http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/</a></span><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>But as far as I know, this is the only mailing list alive for
discussions like that...</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Jörg</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht-----<br>
<b>Von:</b> bar tomas [<a href="mailto:bartomas@gmail.com">mailto:bartomas@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 13:13<br>
<b>An:</b> Holetschek, Jörg<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Thanks for all your help.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>One last question: is there a mailing list
for specifically discussing conceptual aspects of Darwin Core, ABCD, etc (I
haven't been able to find one) or is Tapir mailing list for that purpose?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>T. Bar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM,
Holetschek, Jörg <<a href="mailto:j.holetschek@bgbm.org">j.holetschek@bgbm.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Dear Thomas,<br>
<br>
the ABCD schema can handle such unbounded data - but the only TAPIR provider
software that supports ABCD (pyWrapper) is not quite bug free. So you'd have to
use the BioCASe protcol - which is apparently not your intention.<br>
<br>
Cheers from Berlin,<br>
Jörg<br>
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>
Von: <a href="mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</a><br>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</a>]Im
Auftrag von Tim Robertson<br>
(GBIF)<br>
Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. November 2008 16:22<br>
An: bar tomas<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</a><br>
Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<br>
This is correct... largely it is used for transfer of detailed single<br>
specimen records.<br>
<br>
That is not so say you could not define some schema that reuses sections<br>
of DwC or the TDWG vocabularies - you probably would have to get into<br>
custom provider software in that case (although maybe the current tools<br>
would allow for it - Renato could give advice for TAPIRLink on this).<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Tim<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> Thanks a lot for the information.<br>
><br>
> I suppose when the record is composed of multiple specimens
(whose<br>
> number<br>
> is recorded in ObservedIndividualCount) the individual attributes of each<br>
> specimen (age, sex, maturity, etc) cannot be stored.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Tomas Bar<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Tim Robertson <<a
href="mailto:trobertson@gbif.org">trobertson@gbif.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi T. Bar<br>
>> You might consider the OBIS extensions for Darwin Core since you are<br>
>> concerned with marine stuff.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd" target="_blank">http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd</a><br>
>><br>
>> SampleSize: the size of the sample from which the<br>
>> collection/observation was drawn. It can be a volume (e.g. for a<br>
>> phytoplankton sample), a linear distance (e.g. for a visual transect
or<br>
>> net haul), a surface area (e.g. for a benthic core), etc. This
field<br>
>> must also include the units, e.g. 200 mfor a transect, or 0.25 m^2 for
a<br>
>> benthic grab (use ^ to denote a superscript). Note that when
multiple<br>
>> collections/observations are reported from the same physical sample, a<br>
>> code identifying the sample can be placed in the Field_Number field to<br>
>> allow all collections/observations from a single sample to be
connected.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> IndividualCount is a count of specimens (e.g. not a count of species).<br>
>> If<br>
>> you want to indicate multiple species, then you would have a record
for<br>
>> each<br>
>> along with the identification and the count of individuals of
that<br>
>> species.<br>
>><br>
>> So in the OBIS schema you have:<br>
>><br>
>> ObservedIndividualCount: The number of individuals (abundance) found
in<br>
>> a collection/record event.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>><br>
>> Tim<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 28 Nov 2008, at 17:05, bar tomas wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Sorry if this question is misplaced in this discussion list,
but I<br>
>> haven't been able to find a mailing list on the conceptual aspects of<br>
>> Darwin<br>
>> Core.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I am interested to know if there are any recommendations on how to<br>
>> represent abundance in Darwin Core. I have seen some datasets using<br>
>> IndividualCount and SampleSize. For instance, for a fishing survey,<br>
>> would<br>
>> you use IndividualCount for the number of species in a catch, and<br>
>> SampleSize<br>
>> for the distance towed?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Thank you very much<br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
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>> <a href="mailto:tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</a><br>
>> <a href="http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir"
target="_blank">http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
><br>
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____________________________________________________________<br>
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