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<DIV><SPAN class=562302512-01122008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Tomas,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=562302512-01122008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>there's a wiki you might find interesting: <A
href="http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/">http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=562302512-01122008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>But as
far as I know, this is the only mailing list alive for discussions like
that...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=562302512-01122008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=562302512-01122008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Jörg</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<BR><B>Von:</B> bar tomas
[mailto:bartomas@gmail.com]<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Montag, 1. Dezember 2008
13:13<BR><B>An:</B> Holetschek, Jörg<BR><B>Betreff:</B> Re: [tdwg-tapir]
Abundance data<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for all your help.</DIV>
<DIV>One last question: is there a mailing list for specifically discussing
conceptual aspects of Darwin Core, ABCD, etc (I haven't been able to find
one) or is Tapir mailing list for that purpose?</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks</DIV>
<DIV>T. Bar<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Holetschek, Jörg <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:j.holetschek@bgbm.org">j.holetschek@bgbm.org</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Dear
Thomas,<BR><BR>the ABCD schema can handle such unbounded data - but the only
TAPIR provider software that supports ABCD (pyWrapper) is not quite bug
free. So you'd have to use the BioCASe protcol - which is apparently not
your intention.<BR><BR>Cheers from Berlin,<BR>Jörg<BR><BR>-----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht-----<BR>Von: <A
href="mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</A><BR>[mailto:<A
href="mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</A>]Im
Auftrag von Tim Robertson<BR>(GBIF)<BR>Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. November 2008
16:22<BR>An: bar tomas<BR>Cc: <A
href="mailto:tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</A><BR>Betreff:
Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data<BR>
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<DIV class=Wj3C7c><BR><BR>This is correct... largely it is used for transfer
of detailed single<BR>specimen records.<BR><BR>That is not so say you could
not define some schema that reuses sections<BR>of DwC or the TDWG
vocabularies - you probably would have to get into<BR>custom provider
software in that case (although maybe the current tools<BR>would allow for
it - Renato could give advice for TAPIRLink on
this).<BR><BR>Cheers<BR><BR>Tim<BR><BR><BR><BR>> Thanks a lot for the
information.<BR>><BR>> I suppose when the record is composed of
multiple specimens (whose<BR>> number<BR>> is recorded in
ObservedIndividualCount) the individual attributes of each<BR>> specimen
(age, sex, maturity, etc) cannot be stored.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
Tomas Bar<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Tim
Robertson <<A
href="mailto:trobertson@gbif.org">trobertson@gbif.org</A>><BR>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Hi T. Bar<BR>>> You might consider the OBIS
extensions for Darwin Core since you are<BR>>> concerned with marine
stuff.<BR>>><BR>>> <A href="http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd"
target=_blank>http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd</A><BR>>><BR>>>
SampleSize: the size of the sample from which the<BR>>>
collection/observation was drawn. It can be a volume (e.g. for
a<BR>>> phytoplankton sample), a linear distance (e.g. for a visual
transect or<BR>>> net haul), a surface area (e.g. for a benthic core),
etc. This field<BR>>> must also include the units, e.g. 200 mfor
a transect, or 0.25 m^2 for a<BR>>> benthic grab (use ^ to denote a
superscript). Note that when multiple<BR>>>
collections/observations are reported from the same physical sample,
a<BR>>> code identifying the sample can be placed in the Field_Number
field to<BR>>> allow all collections/observations from a single sample
to be connected.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> IndividualCount is a
count of specimens (e.g. not a count of species).<BR>>> If<BR>>>
you want to indicate multiple species, then you would have a record
for<BR>>> each<BR>>> along with the identification and the count
of individuals of that<BR>>> species.<BR>>><BR>>> So
in the OBIS schema you have:<BR>>><BR>>>
ObservedIndividualCount: The number of individuals (abundance) found
in<BR>>> a collection/record
event.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Cheers,<BR>>><BR>>>
Tim<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On 28 Nov 2008,
at 17:05, bar tomas wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> Sorry if this
question is misplaced in this discussion list, but I<BR>>> haven't
been able to find a mailing list on the conceptual aspects of<BR>>>
Darwin<BR>>> Core.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> I am interested
to know if there are any recommendations on how to<BR>>> represent
abundance in Darwin Core. I have seen some datasets using<BR>>>
IndividualCount and SampleSize. For instance, for a fishing
survey,<BR>>> would<BR>>> you use IndividualCount for the number
of species in a catch, and<BR>>> SampleSize<BR>>> for the
distance towed?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Thank you very
much<BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>>
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href="mailto:tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</A><BR>>>
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target=_blank>http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir</A><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>><BR><BR><BR>____________________________________________________________<BR>Tim
Robertson<BR>Systems Architect<BR>Global Biodiversity Information Facility
Secretariat (GBIF)<BR>Universitetsparken 15, 2100 Copenhagen Ø,
Denmark<BR><A href="http://www.gbif.org/"
target=_blank>http://www.gbif.org</A><BR><A
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