<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>As the average TDWG mailing list is not exactly overloaded with posts, how about consolidating TDWG's mailinglists into just 3?</div><div>An announcement list for TDWG business (tdwg+process), a technical one (TAG,GUID+TAPIR) and just a single content one. </div><div>This would probably also help to avoid duplication of efforts and to produce more consistent results across the subgroups.</div><div><br></div><div>Just an idea.</div><div>Markus</div><div><br></div><div><div><a href="http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo">http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div><div>On Dec 1, 2008, at 13:29, Holetschek, Jörg wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div> <div> <div><span class="562302512-01122008"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Tomas,</font></span></div> <div><span class="562302512-01122008"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div><span class="562302512-01122008"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">there's a wiki you might find interesting: <a href="http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/">http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/</a></font></span></div> <div><span class="562302512-01122008"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">But as far as I know, this is the only mailing list alive for discussions like that...</font></span></div> <div><span class="562302512-01122008"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div><span class="562302512-01122008"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Jörg</font></span></div></div> <blockquote> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br><b>Von:</b> bar tomas [<a href="mailto:bartomas@gmail.com">mailto:bartomas@gmail.com</a>]<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 13:13<br><b>An:</b> Holetschek, Jörg<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data<br><br></font></div> <div>Thanks for all your help.</div> <div>One last question: is there a mailing list for specifically discussing conceptual aspects of Darwin Core, ABCD, etc (I haven't been able to find one) or is Tapir mailing list for that purpose?</div> <div>Thanks</div> <div>T. Bar<br><br></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Holetschek, Jörg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:j.holetschek@bgbm.org">j.holetschek@bgbm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Dear Thomas,<br><br>the ABCD schema can handle such unbounded data - but the only TAPIR provider software that supports ABCD (pyWrapper) is not quite bug free. So you'd have to use the BioCASe protcol - which is apparently not your intention.<br><br>Cheers from Berlin,<br>Jörg<br><br>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>Von: <a href="mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</a>]Im Auftrag von Tim Robertson<br>(GBIF)<br>Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. November 2008 16:22<br>An: bar tomas<br>Cc: <a href="mailto:tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</a><br>Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data<br> <div> <div></div> <div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br>This is correct... largely it is used for transfer of detailed single<br>specimen records.<br><br>That is not so say you could not define some schema that reuses sections<br>of DwC or the TDWG vocabularies - you probably would have to get into<br>custom provider software in that case (although maybe the current tools<br>would allow for it - Renato could give advice for TAPIRLink on this).<br><br>Cheers<br><br>Tim<br><br><br><br>> Thanks a lot for the information.<br>><br>> I suppose when the record is composed of multiple specimens (whose<br>> number<br>> is recorded in ObservedIndividualCount) the individual attributes of each<br>> specimen (age, sex, maturity, etc) cannot be stored.<br>><br>><br>><br>> Tomas Bar<br>><br>><br>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Tim Robertson <<a href="mailto:trobertson@gbif.org">trobertson@gbif.org</a>><br>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Hi T. Bar<br>>> You might consider the OBIS extensions for Darwin Core since you are<br>>> concerned with marine stuff.<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd" target="_blank">http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd</a><br>>><br>>> SampleSize: the size of the sample from which the<br>>> collection/observation was drawn. It can be a volume (e.g. for a<br>>> phytoplankton sample), a linear distance (e.g. for a visual transect or<br>>> net haul), a surface area (e.g. for a benthic core), etc. This field<br>>> must also include the units, e.g. 200 mfor a transect, or 0.25 m^2 for a<br>>> benthic grab (use ^ to denote a superscript). Note that when multiple<br>>> collections/observations are reported from the same physical sample, a<br>>> code identifying the sample can be placed in the Field_Number field to<br>>> allow all collections/observations from a single sample to be connected.<br>>><br>>><br>>> IndividualCount is a count of specimens (e.g. not a count of species).<br>>> If<br>>> you want to indicate multiple species, then you would have a record for<br>>> each<br>>> along with the identification and the count of individuals of that<br>>> species.<br>>><br>>> So in the OBIS schema you have:<br>>><br>>> ObservedIndividualCount: The number of individuals (abundance) found in<br>>> a collection/record event.<br>>><br>>><br>>> Cheers,<br>>><br>>> Tim<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> On 28 Nov 2008, at 17:05, bar tomas wrote:<br>>><br>>> Sorry if this question is misplaced in this discussion list, but I<br>>> haven't been able to find a mailing list on the conceptual aspects of<br>>> Darwin<br>>> Core.<br>>><br>>><br>>> I am interested to know if there are any recommendations on how to<br>>> represent abundance in Darwin Core. I have seen some datasets using<br>>> IndividualCount and SampleSize. For instance, for a fishing survey,<br>>> would<br>>> you use IndividualCount for the number of species in a catch, and<br>>> SampleSize<br>>> for the distance towed?<br>>><br>>><br>>> Thank you very much<br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> tdwg-tapir mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir" target="_blank">http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir</a><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>><br><br><br>____________________________________________________________<br>Tim Robertson<br>Systems Architect<br>Global Biodiversity Information Facility Secretariat (GBIF)<br>Universitetsparken 15, 2100 Copenhagen Ø, Denmark<br><a href="http://www.gbif.org/" target="_blank">http://www.gbif.org</a><br><a href="mailto:trobertson@gbif.org">trobertson@gbif.org</a><br>Phone: +45 35 32 14 87 (Office)<br>Fax: +45 35 32 14 80<br>____________________________________________________________<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>tdwg-tapir mailing list<br><a href="mailto:tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir" target="_blank">http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir</a><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></blockquote></div> _______________________________________________<br>tdwg-tapir mailing list<br><a href="mailto:tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</a><br>http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir<br></blockquote></div><br></body></html>