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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org
[mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Roger
Hyam<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 01, 2008 3:07 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Tim
Robertson<BR><B>Cc:</B> TAPIR mailing list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [tdwg-tapir]
Abundance data<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Make that 3 votes total.</DIV>
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<DIV>On 1 Dec 2008, at 14:03, Tim Robertson wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>On 1 Dec 2008, at 14:59, Markus Döring (GBIF) wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>As the average TDWG mailing list is not exactly overloaded with posts,
how about consolidating TDWG's mailinglists into just 3?</DIV>
<DIV>An announcement list for TDWG business (tdwg+process), a technical one
(TAG,GUID+TAPIR) and just a single content one. </DIV>
<DIV>This would probably also help to avoid duplication of efforts and to
produce more consistent results across the subgroups.</DIV>
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<DIV>Just an idea.</DIV>
<DIV>Markus</DIV>
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<DIV>On Dec 1, 2008, at 13:29, Holetschek, Jörg wrote:</DIV><BR
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size=2>there's a wiki you might find interesting: <A
href="http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/">http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>But as far as I know, this is the only mailing list alive for
discussions like that...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<BR><B>Von:</B> bar tomas [<A
href="mailto:bartomas@gmail.com">mailto:bartomas@gmail.com</A>]<BR><B>Gesendet:</B>
Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 13:13<BR><B>An:</B> Holetschek,
Jörg<BR><B>Betreff:</B> Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance
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<DIV>Thanks for all your help.</DIV>
<DIV>One last question: is there a mailing list for specifically
discussing conceptual aspects of Darwin Core, ABCD, etc (I haven't been
able to find one) or is Tapir mailing list for that purpose?</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks</DIV>
<DIV>T. Bar<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Holetschek, Jörg
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Thomas,<BR><BR>the ABCD schema can handle such unbounded data - but
the only TAPIR provider software that supports ABCD (pyWrapper) is not
quite bug free. So you'd have to use the BioCASe protcol - which is
apparently not your intention.<BR><BR>Cheers from
Berlin,<BR>Jörg<BR><BR>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<BR>Von: <A
href="mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</A><BR>[mailto:<A
href="mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</A>]Im
Auftrag von Tim Robertson<BR>(GBIF)<BR>Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. November
2008 16:22<BR>An: bar tomas<BR>Cc: <A
href="mailto:tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</A><BR>Betreff:
Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data<BR>
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<DIV class=Wj3C7c><BR><BR>This is correct... largely it is used for
transfer of detailed single<BR>specimen records.<BR><BR>That is not so
say you could not define some schema that reuses sections<BR>of DwC or
the TDWG vocabularies - you probably would have to get into<BR>custom
provider software in that case (although maybe the current
tools<BR>would allow for it - Renato could give advice for TAPIRLink
on this).<BR><BR>Cheers<BR><BR>Tim<BR><BR><BR><BR>> Thanks a lot
for the information.<BR>><BR>> I suppose when the record is
composed of multiple specimens (whose<BR>>
number<BR>> is recorded in ObservedIndividualCount) the individual
attributes of each<BR>> specimen (age, sex, maturity, etc) cannot
be stored.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Tomas
Bar<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Tim
Robertson <<A
href="mailto:trobertson@gbif.org">trobertson@gbif.org</A>><BR>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Hi T. Bar<BR>>> You might consider
the OBIS extensions for Darwin Core since you are<BR>>>
concerned with marine stuff.<BR>>><BR>>> <A
href="http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd"
target=_blank>http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd</A><BR>>><BR>>>
SampleSize: the size of the sample from which the<BR>>>
collection/observation was drawn. It can be a volume (e.g. for
a<BR>>> phytoplankton sample), a linear distance (e.g. for a
visual transect or<BR>>> net haul), a surface area (e.g. for a
benthic core), etc. This field<BR>>> must also include the
units, e.g. 200 mfor a transect, or 0.25 m^2 for a<BR>>> benthic
grab (use ^ to denote a superscript). Note that when
multiple<BR>>> collections/observations are reported from the
same physical sample, a<BR>>> code identifying the sample can be
placed in the Field_Number field to<BR>>> allow all
collections/observations from a single sample to be
connected.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> IndividualCount is a
count of specimens (e.g. not a count of species).<BR>>>
If<BR>>> you want to indicate multiple species, then you would
have a record for<BR>>> each<BR>>> along with the
identification and the count of individuals of that<BR>>>
species.<BR>>><BR>>> So in the OBIS schema you
have:<BR>>><BR>>> ObservedIndividualCount: The number of
individuals (abundance) found in<BR>>> a collection/record
event.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Cheers,<BR>>><BR>>>
Tim<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On 28 Nov
2008, at 17:05, bar tomas wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> Sorry
if this question is misplaced in this discussion list, but
I<BR>>> haven't been able to find a mailing list on the
conceptual aspects of<BR>>> Darwin<BR>>>
Core.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> I am interested to know if
there are any recommendations on how to<BR>>> represent
abundance in Darwin Core. I have seen some datasets using<BR>>>
IndividualCount and SampleSize. For instance, for a fishing
survey,<BR>>> would<BR>>> you use IndividualCount for the
number of species in a catch, and<BR>>> SampleSize<BR>>>
for the distance towed?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Thank you
very much<BR>>>
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