<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>Yes I think you are right a REST section would be good but.... What is REST? In a way the TAPIR specification (especially in its lighter versions) is 'just' a common REST specification. You pass it parameters over HTTP and you get back data as XML. On the other hand TAPIR seems more complex than just putting a REST service together. Perhaps because doing anything that meets a specification rather than just what comes to hand is going to be harder. Perhaps Renato may have comments on this.</div><div><br></div><div>I have actually just done a REST/JSON service for BCI.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://biocol.org/json">http://biocol.org/json</a></div><div><br></div><div>I am nervous because it is totally not TDWG standards compliant and just a useful thing for getting data back for mashups and embedding. Effectively exposing the database to client side applications. From an engineering point of view it is dead simple - a single PHP file (within the Zend Framework). To write code to consume this is trivial (there is an example) but it is bespoke. a major thing is that the return type is JSON which I think many people think of a standard data format for REST type services. </div><div><br></div><div>So it would be a good to get some clarification on what we mean by REST.</div><div><br></div><div>Does REST tend to imply a particular return type?</div><div><br></div><div>If we mean REST/JSON does anyone have an idea how we could get some data typing in a JSON object so that a consuming application could tell that it is a representation of a DwC object or something from the TDWG ontology? Service description is also an issue. We end up re-inventing TAPIR if we aren't careful.</div><div><br></div><div>I am sure it would be trivial to wrap a TAPIR provider in something that converted the XML output to JSON enabling it to act as a data source for client mashups.</div><div><br></div><div>As usual I'd be grateful for opinions on this. Perhaps we should talk in Fremantle.</div><div><br></div><div>All the best,</div><div><br></div><div>Roger</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On 3 Oct 2008, at 02:56, Richardson, Ben wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space"> <div><span class="072075401-03102008"><font face="Courier New">Yes, I agree</font></span></div> <div><span class="072075401-03102008"><font face="Courier New"></font></span> </div> <div><span class="072075401-03102008"><font face="Courier New">REST seems a lot easier to implement, and at least having some information on how REST fits in would be helpful.</font></span></div> <div><span class="072075401-03102008"><font face="Courier New"></font></span> </div> <div><span class="072075401-03102008"><font face="Courier New">Cheers,</font></span></div> <div><span class="072075401-03102008"><font face="Courier New">Ben</font></span></div> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> tdwg-tag-bounces@lists.tdwg.org [<a href="mailto:tdwg-tag-bounces@lists.tdwg.org">mailto:tdwg-tag-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</a>]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Richards<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 3 October 2008 6:29<br><b>To:</b> Technical Architecture Group mailing list; Roger Hyam<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [tdwg-tag] TAG Roadmap for 2008 - Job vacancy!<br><br></font></div> <div>Just a thought...</div> <div> </div> <div>REST based services seem to be gaining a lot of momentum lately, so I wonder if we should mention them in the RoadMap ??</div> <div>I would at least like to bring up the subject at some point during the TDWG meeting, and look at how REST may fit in with LSIDs, etc.</div> <div> </div> <div>Kevin<br><br>>>> Roger Hyam <<a href="mailto:rogerhyam@mac.com">rogerhyam@mac.com</a>> 30/09/2008 11:02 p.m. >>><br></div> <div><br></div> <div>Dear TAG Member,</div> <div><br></div> <div>With kind support from others I have now pulled together what I believe is the text for the 2008 Roadmap. I will polish this some more but do not plan to change it radically. This will be presented to the conference in Fremantle next month as the output of the TAG.</div> <div><br></div> <div><a href="http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/TAG/RoadMap2008">http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/TAG/RoadMap2008</a></div> <div><br></div> <div>Please take a few moments to read this through and edit or comment on the list if you don't agree with it or think anything is missing. I will take silence as assent!</div> <div><br></div> <div>On or around the 8th October I will convert the wiki page into a PDF and start distributing it.</div> <div><br></div> <div>I would like to take this opportunity to announce that I wish to stand down as convener of the TAG as of the Fremantle conference. I believe it would be good for the TAG and TDWG to have some fresh blood in this position. I still hope to continue contributing to TDWG but perhaps in different ways.</div> <div><br></div> <div>The procedure for choosing a new convener is somewhat vague but I believe it should be done through group consensus. Perhaps we could start a discussion on this list and those who are coming to Fremantle could discuss it further.</div> <div><br></div> <div>Who do you think should take this forward? 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