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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=671392313-03122007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Many thanks, Robert! (And thanks also for sending the
PDFs).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=671392313-03122007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Besides the email addresses, the external links (to
publications and datasets) are DOIs, and within the PDF itself, are represented
as clickable links via the HTTP proxy <A
href="http://dx.doi.org/">http://dx.doi.org/</A> -- essentially exactly how
I would plan to embed clickable links to LSIDs.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=671392313-03122007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Many thanks again!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=671392313-03122007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Aloha,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=671392313-03122007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Rich</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org
[mailto:tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Robert
Huber<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 03, 2007 12:06 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID
links within Publications<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Dear all,<BR><BR>Maybe this could also help in this discussion:
here is an example how data sets are cited in an existing publication:<BR><A
href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.palaeo.2007.03.030">http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.palaeo.2007.03.030
</A><BR><BR>best regards,<BR>Robert<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>2007/12/3, Robert Huber <<A
href="mailto:rhuber@wdc-mare.org">rhuber@wdc-mare.org</A>>:</SPAN>
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class=q>Dear all,<BR><BR>The usage of LSIDs and especially citing would be
much easier if the usage of metadata would have been more precisely
defined.<BR>Now, the recommendations allow the TDWGOntology as well as other
'well known vocabularies' = chaos. <BR><BR>We should at least decide on a
small set of _obligatory_ metadata elements, for example some dublin core
fields?<BR>For new taxon names the citation of LSIDs would be much easier,
because this metadata could then be placed somewhere in the references
section such as Pyle, R, 2007: TaxonXY, ...some other metadata..., TheLSID
<BR><BR>best regards, Robert<BR><BR><BR></SPAN>
<DIV><SPAN class=q><SPAN class=gmail_quote>2007/12/3, Richard Pyle <<A
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href="mailto:deepreef@bishopmuseum.org" target=_blank>
deepreef@bishopmuseum.org</A>>:</SPAN></SPAN>
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<DIV><SPAN class=e id=q_1169f6b38ae9e5f0_4><BR>Let's distinguish between
the two separate places where there may be LSIDs<BR>in the
document:<BR><BR>1) Underneath the header for each of the five new species
described in the <BR>article.<BR><BR>2) Embedded within clicakble links
scattered through the introduction, <BR>discussion, etc. (what I call
"prose"), which are not themselves registered<BR>nomenclatural acts; but
are simply "links of convenince" to allow someone<BR>reading the PDF to
simply click on a highlighted word or symbol and be <BR>redirected
(presumably through a web browser) to some sort of online<BR>resource
(image, video, SDD document, whatever...)<BR><BR>As for #1, I believe that
the LSID should be displayed to the human reader<BR>in full, and probably
should *also* be a clickable link directly to the <BR>ZooBank record for
that LSID. Displaying the full LSID here is appropriate,<BR>because the
publication itself represents the Code-governed creation event<BR>behind
that LSID. It also does not interrupt the "flow", because there is no
<BR>"flow" to the header of a new species account.<BR><BR>As for #2, there
is "flow" here, because people are reading a normal<BR>paragraph or text.
Offsetting a clickable word in blue or underlined or with <BR>some sort of
Mouseover highlighting does not interrupt the flow -- but<BR>inserting an
LSID in parentheses within the text does interrupt the flow
of<BR>reading.<BR><BR>So....in this context, my current preferred way of
displaying it in the <BR>formatted PDF is:<BR><BR>1) Show the LSID for the
5 new species names, as part of header for the new<BR>species treatment
(just like listing a holotype, etc.) The only question<BR>here is whether
I show only the UUID, or do I show the UUID "wrapped" within <BR>the LSID
syntax. In order to help promote LSIDs (in keeping with
the<BR>TDWG/GBIF agenda at the moment), I'm leaning towards displaying the
complete<BR>LSID; but perhaps mentioning in the methods that the ZooBank
Registration ID <BR>is the UUID, but they are shown formatted with
complete LSID resolving<BR>syntax.<BR><BR>2) Do not show the LSID for
other clickable links within the "prose" of the<BR>document, but embed
those LSIDs in the (hidden) link URL. I'm still not sure <BR>whether the
word/name itself will be the clickable "thing", or whether I'll<BR>add
some sort of standard symbol analagous to a footnote number that
the<BR>user would click.<BR><BR>3) Display full URLs in an "Appendix" sort
of section, at the end of the <BR>rest of the article, so they can be seen
via the paper-printed version.<BR><BR>Does this make sense? Or
am I stoned...? :-)<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>> From: Paul Kirk [mailto:<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:p.kirk@cabi.org" target=_blank> p.kirk@cabi.org</A>]<BR>>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:39 PM<BR>> To: Richard Pyle; Gregor
Hagedorn; <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org"
target=_blank>tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org</A><BR>> Subject: RE:
[tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID links within Publications <BR>><BR>> But
Rich, the prose you refer to are the ... 'this is a<BR>> really neat
fish, just look at the video' discussion rather<BR>> than the techie
ICZN stuff ... Aus bus sp. nov ... LSID,<BR>> Latin daignosis, holotype
etc ... <BR>> which, at the risk of being stoned (having rocks thrown
at me<BR>> ... ;-) ... I mean) as an heretic, could perhaps be
usefully<BR>> lost in an appendix, and thus disposed would not
interrupt the flow.<BR>> <BR>> Paul<BR>><BR>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>> From: <A
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href="mailto:tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org"
target=_blank>tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org </A><BR>> [mailto:<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org" target=_blank>
tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</A>] On Behalf Of Richard Pyle<BR>>
Sent: 01 December 2007 00:48<BR>> To: 'Gregor Hagedorn'; <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org"
target=_blank>tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org</A><BR>> Subject: RE:
[tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID links within Publications
<BR>><BR>><BR>> Thanks, Gregor -- this is very helpful, and I
pretty much agree.<BR>><BR>> > In short: allow any normal
publishing practice, consider it as a<BR>> > special form of
reference (like doi or ISBN) and observe the normal <BR>> >
publishing practices of citing, especially avoid<BR>> redundancies.
Rich, I<BR>><BR>> > think you are too much thinking about general
rules how to always<BR>> > handle it - but publishing practice for
good reasons does <BR>> almost the<BR>> > opposite (once and
never again...).<BR>><BR>> Fair enough....and I'm sure I am
over-thinking this.<BR>> However, I still see problems with your
proposed approached,<BR>> in that I do not want big, cumbersome LSIDs
(even once) <BR>> interrupting the flow of prose.<BR>><BR>> I
think I still favor the idea of a superscript indicator<BR>> that can
be easily ignored, easily clicked, and easily used<BR>> to refer to a
printed (not hidden) set of hyperlinks <BR>> following the "Literature
Cited" section.<BR>> I think this strikes a resonable
compromise/balance between<BR>> how things are done in the publishing
world, and how *I*<BR>> think things *should* be done in the publishing
world.... <BR>><BR>> :-)<BR>><BR>>
Rich<BR>><BR>><BR>>
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