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Dear Roger,<div><br><div><div>On 30 Nov 2007, at 09:48, Roger Hyam wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sorry I have come into this thread late. It looks really exciting stuff.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The one thing I pick up on at the end was Rod offering to come up with a policy for handling Handles in the RDF returned by LSIDs ;)</div></blockquote><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>:-O</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I had previously presumed DOI and Handles could be treated as URIs and therefore just used as rdf resources like this:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><dc:identifier rdf:resource="doi:10.1007/BF02725185" /></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">or in our current example</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><tdwg:parentPublication rdf:resource="doi:10.1007/BF02725185" /></div></blockquote><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>My off-the-cuff comment was inspired by seeing a tag <doi> in the ontology. If you have DOIs, why not Handles, or any other GUID? Personally I would just use <dc:identifier></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Now if we can't treat DOI/Handle as URIs I guess we could treat them as strings and just use the dc identifier (possibly the worst case scenario - this could be an ISBN, local catalogue code or anything).</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><dc:identifier>doi:10.1007/BF02725185</dc:identifier></div></blockquote><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I'm leaning towards this (or a standard representation, see below) because if there are multiple DOI resolvers (and there are a couple out there) and people use different ones, we need to decide whether the identifier is the same. My feeling is that RDF populated by links to URIs, while being Semantic Web savvy, will actually break because many of these URIs will be fragile, or there may be multiple URIs that point to the same thing. I think we may be heading for an unholy mess of URIs, especially as we have lots of distributed databases serving related information.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Put another way, if I aggregate a bunch of RDF from multiple sources and want to find anything related to a paper, it would be much easier to find things that refer to the same DOI in the same way.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I presume support for DOI/Handle would have to be added to any semantic web clients to understand any of these.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Would it be better to take the approach we have with LSIDs where we always cite a proxied version?</div></blockquote><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>What if the proxy goes away?</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Is there an expectation that the proxied version will serve RDF?</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">What do other people do?</div></blockquote><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Connotea uses the INFO URI scheme, which is also used by OpenURL. It's a bit ugly, but at least is standardised. In this example the DOI would be</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>info:doi/10.1007/BF02725185</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>This scheme also supports Handles and SICIs, as well and GenBank sequences, and a few other identifiers (see <a href="http://info-uri.info/registry/OAIHandler?verb=ListRecords&metadataPrefix=oai_dc">http://info-uri.info/registry/OAIHandler?verb=ListRecords&metadataPrefix=oai_dc</a>).</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">We could add a global property so that any object could have one or hasHandle value.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Any solution other than making Handles behave like regular URIs means non-compliance with W3C recommendations and the need for specialist client software I think.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">What do you think? Any ideas?</div></blockquote><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>There seem to be at least two ways to approach this problem:</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>1. Write identifiers as strings in a canonical form likely to be shared by other databases, and leave it to client software to know how to handle them</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>2. Have a global proxy server for all classes of identifiers that we might have, and have this return RDF (and do 303 redirects, or whatever the Semantic Web community settle on). This was the motivation behind my experiments with <a href="http://bioguid.info">http://bioguid.info</a> .</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Hope this makes sense...</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Regards</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Rod</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Roger</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On 30 Nov 2007, at 08:10, Roderic Page wrote:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Dear Rich,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Pyle, R.L. 2002. Pomacanthidae. pp. 3266-3286. In: Carpenter, K.E. and V.E.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Niem (Eds.) Living marine resources of the western central Pacific.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Volume</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">5.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bony fishes part 3 (Menidae to Pomacentridae). Food and Agriculture</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Organization of the United Nations (FAO), Rome. i-iv+2791-3379.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">...there are at least three "levels" of publication:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1) Pyle, R.L. 2002. Pomacanthidae. pp. 3266-3286.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">2) Carpenter, K.E. and V.E. Niem (Eds.) Living marine resources of the</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">western central Pacific.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Volume 5.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bony fishes part 3 (Menidae to</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Pomacentridae). Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">(FAO), Rome. i-iv+2791-3379.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">3) Carpenter, K.E. and V.E. Niem (Eds.) FAO species identification guide for</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">fishery purposes: Living marine resources of the western central Pacific.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Vols. 1-6. Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO),</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Rome. xl+4218 pp.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Granted, some might argue that number 3 is not really a separate citable</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">"unit", but given that it is a single page number series, I would argue that</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">it is.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">So...if we wanted to cite specifically Pyle 2002, the parentCitationString</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">might simply be the contents of of #2 above; or it might have two nested</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">parents (a parent, and agrand parent).</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">As I said before, I'm leaning towards the simpler solution.</div> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Isn't this over engineering things a little? Don't you just need a GUID for the chapter (1), and a GUID for the book (2)? For the latter we have an ISBN (9251043879), so there's already a GUID for that.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I don't think we gain much from (3). Furthermore, if we use the ISBN as the GUID we know the items are linked because they share the same publisher code.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">As for the ZooBank LSID resolver -- at this point in time conformance trumps</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">optimization (so we can all get off our collective arses and serve content)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-- so I'm just woking with what's up there now.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>If I'm resolving LSIDs, and</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I'm doing so because of TDWG standards, then I ought to conform to existing</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">TDWG standards on vocabularies -- right or wrong.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>What we need to do is</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">update the TDWG standards on this (which the St. Lousi meeting was</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">attempting to accomplish), so we can conform *and* optimize!</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The TDWG standard should need to be expanded to handle other kinds of GUIDs, notably Handles, which are being widely used in Digital Repositories.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Regards</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Rod</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Aloha,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Rich</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">----------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Professor Roderic D. 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