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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree with you that the most important
thing right now is getting something working and stop debating. Perfection
being the enemy of the good and all that. There are new projects in the works
that will be forced to go their own way if TDWG doesn’t choose a standard,
if they have not already. The worst thing of all would be to wind up with no
interoperability because we couldn’t stop debating.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If LSID is to continue to be the path
forward and it is accepted as a standard by the TDWG acceptance process, then I
am back to my original appeal:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We need a clear, specific, unambiguous,
usable definition of what an LSID is – that is, data, metadata,
data+metadata, etc. Perhaps we could make “The Bratislava Declaration”
or something that would be a decision, in writing and could be referred to
anytime the “LSID isn’t” debate starts up again.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Chuck Miller<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Donald Hobern<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 06, 2007
8:47 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Roderic Page<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [tdwg-guid] Handle
System considered not interoperable withstandard WWW and SW applications</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Rod,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I know we disagree on this one, and I certainly don't want to force the
issue against everyone else's better judgment but I think the critical issue is
that we need to get moving with trying something seriously and for real.
Switching technology later should not be too painful once we get the basic
principles right (and the basic principles are the same quite independent of
technology).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Some quick points.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>1. In answer to your latest question, the (non-technical, more social)
issues I mentioned in my previous message are the key reasons I would give for
choosing something other than HTTP URIs. We are dealing with a wider
community than just IT professionals and need to make a clear separation
between assigning an identifier and putting up a web page.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2. LSIDs occupy a space (in my thinking) somewhere between the open,
easy, hard-to-control world of HTTP URIs, and the potentially over-centralised
administratively heavy world of Handles and DOIs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>3. If we go with LSIDs and subsequently decide we should just use HTTP
URIs, we can do so immediately and easily using a proxy like the one TDWG has
set up.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>4. If we go with HTTP URIs and subsequently decide we should use
something like LSIDs, it is likely to be significantly harder to clean up the
mess.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Right now we are in a
position where a good number of projects has converged on giving LSIDs a
serious try. I honestly believe we should build on this and start learning
how to use GUIDs in the real world. We can all debate options forever
(and go around in circles: "LSIDs are better than URIs because..." -
"Handles are better than LSIDs because..." - "URIs are better
than Handles because..."), but we must get down to providing some working
solutions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Thanks as ever,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Donald<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color="#001dd4"
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#001DD4'>Donald
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Jun 6, 2007, at 3:22 PM, Roderic Page wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>This all begs the question, is there anything LSIDs give us that HTTP
URIs don't?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>If we go to all this trouble to make LSIDs behave as if they were HTTP
URIs, isn't this tell us something...?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Rod<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 6 Jun 2007, at 14:13, Ricardo Pereira wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Roderic Page wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Ricardo,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I think your arguments pretty much apply to LSIDs as well. By
themselves, they don't play ball with the WWW or the Semantic Web.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>For LSIDs we need a proxy that understands SOAP, can talk to the DNS,
read WSDL files, and then do an HTTP look-up. You only get LSIDs to play ball
by using a proxy that plays ball.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I agree. That's why we are putting forward the LSID HTTP proxy
recommendations (<a
href="http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/GUID/LsidHttpProxyUsageRecommendation">http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/GUID/LsidHttpProxyUsageRecommendation</a>).
And there will be at least one LSID proxy (that at <a
href="http://lsid.tdwg.org">http://lsid.tdwg.org</a>/) that will play ball
pretty soon. That proxy all that you said, just doesn't perform the
content-negotiation bit yet. But I'm currently working on that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>In principle we can do the same sort of thing for Handles (there is
code for a proxy servlet at <a href="http://www.handle.net/proxy_servlet.html">http://www.handle.net/proxy_servlet.html</a>).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Only if handle types fully matched the standard WWW content types. They
could match if we defined handle types for our own community, but they won't
ever match with the types defined by other communities like DOI and others
using Handles.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On the other hand, LSID spec allows us to implement standard content
negotiation seamlessly because the semantics of the argument *accepted_formats*
in the LSID getMetadata call is appropriate for that purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I'm not necessarily defending Handles, but I think our choice needs to
be well-informed. I still don't think the case for LSIDs has really been made
(or, at least, some of the arguments advanced in favour of LSIDs apply equally
well, if not better, to other technologies).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I agree with you on this. The case for LSIDs wasn't strong enough
because the original proposal doesn't integrate well with HTTP. That is exactly
why we are putting forward the LSID HTTP proxy proposal. It was the missing
point in the LSID case.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>In any case, I suppose we will talk more about this in the near future.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Ricardo<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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330 4778<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>web:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://taxonomy.zoology.gla.ac.uk/rod/rod.html">http://taxonomy.zoology.gla.ac.uk/rod/rod.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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href="aim://rodpage1962">aim://rodpage1962</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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href="http://systematicbiology.org">http://systematicbiology.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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href="http://darwin.zoology.gla.ac.uk/~rpage/portal/">http://darwin.zoology.gla.ac.uk/~rpage/portal/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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