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WIECZOREK wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Agreed. Now is the right time for this.<BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">2007/4/18, Dave Vieglais <<A href="mailto:vieglais@ku.edu">vieglais@ku.edu</A>>:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi Renato,<BR>I would favor the use of fragment identifiers for the predicates as<BR>it is consistent with their intended use. I expect the difficulty<BR>associated with reconfiguration now will be much less than the<BR> problems encountered later if this change is not made.<BR><BR>Dave V.<BR><BR>On Apr 19, 2007, at 08:32, Renato De Giovanni wrote:<BR><BR>> Dear all,<BR>><BR>> This is clearly a crosscutting issue and I thought about using the <BR>> TAPIR mailing list for the following reasons:<BR>><BR>> 1) The main people involved with DarwinCore are subscribed here;<BR>> 2) This issue raised from a TAPIR use case;<BR>> 3) It can affect all existing TAPIR/DarwinCore providers, as well as <BR>> all output models based on DarwinCore.<BR>><BR>> As you know, there was a recent release of TapirLink which includes<BR>> an LSID authority that serves an RDF representation of DarwinCore by<BR>> default. <BR>><BR>> Everything seems to be working fine, but when I parse the resulting<BR>> RDF in the W3C validator, I see that the predicates are being<BR>> displayed as:<BR>><BR>> <A href="http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/dwcoreGenus"> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/dwcoreGenus</A><BR>><BR>> While in the semantic world the "expected" representation would be<BR>> something like:<BR>><BR>> <A href="http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/dwcore#Genus">http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/dwcore#Genus </A><BR>><BR>> Apparently it seems just a cosmetic thing, but after some quick<BR>> research this "unexpected representation" can cause problems<BR>> depending on usage and tools: for instance, if it's necessary to <BR>> perform RDF/XML round-tripping, then semantic web tools may not work<BR>> if there's no clear separation between the namespace URI and local<BR>> names, which is normally done by using the fragment identifier. <BR>><BR>> If you're interested, you can find a similar discussion here:<BR>> <A href="http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/mail-archive/msg16476.html">http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/mail-archive/msg16476.html</A><BR> ><BR>> Which has this interesting follow-up:<BR>> <A href="http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/mail-archive/msg16480.html">http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/mail-archive/msg16480.html</A><BR>><BR>> Since the new DarwinCore version and its extensions are not yet a <BR>> TDWG standard and may even be subject to other changes, I'm proposing<BR>> to add the fragment identifier to all Darwin namespaces. Better to do<BR>> this as soon as possible if we're going to need this in the future. <BR>><BR>> Please let me know if you have any comments, ideas or concerns...<BR>><BR>> It may be the case that this change will affect other things (like<BR>> the new GBIF REST service) although probably not as much as <BR>> TAPIR/DarwinCore providers which will need to re-map their databases.<BR>><BR>> Best Regards,<BR>> --<BR>> Renato<BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> tdwg-tapir mailing list <BR>> <A href="mailto:tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</A><BR>> <A href="http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir">http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir</A><BR><BR>_______________________________________________ <BR>tdwg-tapir mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</A><BR><A href="http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir">http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir</A><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">tdwg-tapir mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir">http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>