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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I certainly hope that we can manage this,
and even more that we can make seamless connections between our registry
services and those for molecular and ecological communities. We need to think
big here…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Chuck.Miller@mobot.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 17 January 2006 19:00<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> m.doering@BGBM.org;
Chuck.Miller@mobot.org; tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> w.berendsohn@bgbm.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [tdwg-tapir] FAQ page</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hopefully
we can at least arrive in the future at a single GBIF UDDI for all data
exchange providers. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Chuck</span></font>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original
Message-----</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: "Döring, Markus" [<a
href="mailto:m.doering@BGBM.org">mailto:m.doering@BGBM.org</a>] </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006
10:49 AM</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: Chuck.Miller@mobot.org;
tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Cc: Berendsohn, Walter G.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: AW: [tdwg-tapir] FAQ page</span></font>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Chuck,</span></font>
<br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The original BioCASE uses its own
registry for service discovery, has its own kind of cache and discovers
availble data elements (concepts) through the biocase wrappers(=services)
themselves. This "capability" request does also exist in TAPIR. So a
service can technically describe itself to clients.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The
current work on BioCASE makes use of the GBIF UDDI, but adds some extra data to
it (mainly for statistics).</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Markus</span></font>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht-----</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Von: Chuck.Miller@mobot.org [<a
href="mailto:Chuck.Miller@mobot.org">mailto:Chuck.Miller@mobot.org</a>] </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Januar 2006
15:57</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>An: Döring, Markus;
Chuck.Miller@mobot.org; tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Cc: Berendsohn, Walter G.</span></font>
<br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Betreff: RE: [tdwg-tapir] FAQ page</span></font>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks,
Markus. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>That
helps add more to the ontology of data exchange. But, you also added
another term - wrapper. So, we have services, wrappers, protocols,
providers and portals. Still confusing to most I'm afraid.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>My
general request is for "someone" to produce a single document that
organizes it all into a form understandable by the non-programmers.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Also,
does BioCASE use UDDI for discovery of the provider metadata and the data
elements available from the provider/wrapper?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Chuck
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original
Message-----</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: "Döring, Markus" [<a
href="mailto:m.doering@BGBM.org">mailto:m.doering@BGBM.org</a>]</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 4:27
AM</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: Chuck.Miller@mobot.org;
tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Cc: Berendsohn, Walter G. </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: AW: [tdwg-tapir] FAQ page </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Chuck,</span></font>
<br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>from the BioCASE side I can add the
following: </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>BioCASE</span></font>
<br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-------</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>BioCASE is a European project and
its also the name of the protocol (sometimes written as BioCASe). </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The BioCASE portal (software) is
referred to simply as the BioCASE portal. </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The core of the BioCASE provider
software (BPS) is called PyWrapper. This wrapper understands the BioCASE
protocol, but also the Species2000/SPICE protocol. So you can use it to serve
data in ABCD, SPICE/Species2000, DarwinCore, MCPDH, NaturalCollectionMetadata
(NCD) or nearly any other XML standard with some limitations (unfortunately
used by SDD).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>TAPIR</span></font>
<br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>------</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>TAPIR refers only to the protocol.
The primary goal of TAPIR is the unification of DiGIR and BioCASE, thus
replacing them so that data providers and clients can access our data in the
same way. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>There is
a full TAPIR provider software available based on the PyWrapper which is called
TAPIR PyWrapper. </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>There is no TAPIR portal yet or any
other client application for TAPIR. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>RDF</span></font>
<br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>----</span></font> <br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>In many discussions currently RDF
is considered a better way to share our data. To fully go the RDF way we would
have to migrate the TDWG XML schema standards to some sort of RDF schema or
ontology. There is still a performance problem with RDF if used with millions
of records (equivalent to maybe hundreds of millions of rdf statements). So I
dont see RDF being used right now in full production, but its surely a
promising way to go.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Personally
I am a bit concerned we are about to split the community again - this time into
TAPIR and RDF; but maybe thats how technological progress is made...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>regards,</span></font>
<br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Markus </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht----- </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Von:
tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org [<a
href="mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org">mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</a>]
Im Auftrag von Dave Vieglais </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Januar 2006
16:03 </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>An: Javier privat </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Cc: tdwg-tapir@lists.tdwg.org </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] FAQ page </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Much of
the confusion has come about I guess because DiGIR 2 is actually a code name
for a project that is building a data service application that supports pluggable
protocols. There is no official name for that application, and there is
no release (yet).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>So to try
and help things a little: </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>DiGIR 2
is a data server application, not a protocol. The application supports
multiple protocols for accessing the data it serves including:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>* DiGIR
1.5 (i.e. the current version of DiGIR) </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>* TAPIR (may not be a full
implementation) </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>* WFS (OGC Web Feature Service) </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>* possibly SPARQL (an RDF query
language) </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>DiGIR 2
data server is being developed because we do not yet feel that there is a
single unifying protocol for our community, and that new protocols may emerge
and then different versions of the protocols will be developed. Having a
single data service application that supports pluggable protocols will, we
hope, significantly reduce the maintenance and configuration overhead of those
interested in serving their data, since one the application is installed, we
expect it to be a relatively trivial matter to add protocols or updates to
existing protocols.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>We will
provide more information about the project as updates become available. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>regards, </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Dave Vieglais </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Javier de
la Torre said the following on 1/12/2006 8:23 AM: </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Dear all, </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> We had today the GBIF ICT
Expert Group meeting and a lot of people </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> where making questions about
TAPIR. </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Seems that there is confusion
regarding names. People were asking why </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> there is Digir 2 if we are all
going to TAPIR and things like that. </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> There were also questions
regarding when things are gonna be ready, </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> what can we expect from Digir2
and TAPIR pywrapper and what would be </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> the reasons to migrate, how
difficult is going to be to migrate, etc. </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> I was thinking of extending
the FAQ page that Renato started in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Madrid</st1:place></st1:State>
</span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> to answer all these questions,
but I need some help specially from the </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Digir2 people. </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> -What is the status of Digir2?
</span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> -Is it going to be difficult
to update from Digir 1 to 2? </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> I will in any case start
writing there and maybe you can then modify </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> extend thins related to you. </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Best regards, </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Javi. </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
_______________________________________________ </span></font><br>
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</span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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