[tdwg-tag] Where to put LSIDs on tdwg ontology objects
Bob Morris
morris.bob at gmail.com
Mon Oct 6 15:10:14 CEST 2008
I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing either, but I think
so, or at least almost.
WRT you example, the scenario that I have in mind is this: suppose
that elsewhere in the same document, you want insure a reference to
the same tn:TaxonName \data/ from the inner TaxonName that you have as
object of tn:hasBasionym. In that reference I suppose one would use
rdf:resource="urn:lsid:....20354". Certainly that would imply that you
are talking about the same name, but I don't see how a client would be
able to get all data from the elements inside your tn:TaxonName. If
absolute URI were not the issue here, you would enable that using
rdf:ID in the tn:TaxonName....
If I am right that this scenario isn't dealt with by rdf:about, then
Terry and I have to think about whether we really care about this
scenario.
Bob
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 3:29 AM, Richardson, Ben
<Ben.Richardson at dec.wa.gov.au> wrote:
> Bob
>
> I've been trying to figure out how I would represent our census data in the TaxonName ontology, and had come up with, e.g.:
>
> <tn:TaxonName rdf:about="urn:lsid:dec.wa.gov.au:wacensus:32219">
> <tn:rank rdf:resource="http://rs.tdwg.org/ontology/voc/TaxonRank#Subspecies"/>
> <tn:hasBasionym>
> <tn:TaxonName rdf:about="urn:lsid:dec.wa.gov.au:wacensus:20354">
> <dcterms:created>Thu Jun 12 00:00:00 WST 2003</dcterms:created>
> <tn:nomenclaturalCode rdf:resource="http://rs.tdwg.org/ontology/voc/TaxonName#ICBN"/>
> <tn:genusPart>Dryandra</tn:genusPart>
> <tn:rank rdf:resource="http://rs.tdwg.org/ontology/voc/TaxonRank#Subspecies"/>
> <tn:rankString>subsp.</tn:rankString>
> <tn:infraspecificEpithet>chrysophoenix</tn:infraspecificEpithet>
> <tn:basionymFor rdf:resource="urn:lsid:dec.wa.gov.au:wacensus:32219"/>
> <tn:specificEpithet>ionthocarpa</tn:specificEpithet>
> <dcterms:modified>Mon Mar 17 00:00:00 WST 2008</dcterms:modified>
> <tn:nameComplete>Dryandra ionthocarpa subsp. chrysophoenix</tn:nameComplete>
> <tn:authorship>A.S.George</tn:authorship>
> <tcom:publishedIn>Nuytsia 15:341-342, Fig 1d (2005)</tcom:publishedIn>
> <dc:title>Dryandra ionthocarpa subsp. chrysophoenix A.S.George</dc:title>
> </tn:TaxonName>
> </tn:hasBasionym>
> <tn:authorship>(A.S.George) A.R.Mast & K.R.Thiele</tn:authorship>
> <tn:genusPart>Banksia</tn:genusPart>
> <tn:infraspecificEpithet>chrysophoenix</tn:infraspecificEpithet>
> <tn:rankString>subsp.</tn:rankString>
> <tcom:publishedIn>Nuytsia 16:475 (2007)</tcom:publishedIn>
> <dc:title>Banksia ionthocarpa subsp. chrysophoenix (A.S.George) A.R.Mast & K.R.Thiele</dc:title>
> <tn:nameComplete>Banksia ionthocarpa subsp. chrysophoenix</tn:nameComplete>
> <dcterms:created>Mon Mar 17 00:00:00 WST 2008</dcterms:created>
> <tn:nomenclaturalCode rdf:resource="http://rs.tdwg.org/ontology/voc/TaxonName#ICBN"/>
> <dcterms:modified>Wed Mar 26 00:00:00 WST 2008</dcterms:modified>
> <tn:specificEpithet>ionthocarpa</tn:specificEpithet>
> </tn:TaxonName>
>
> Jena writes out the hasBasionym as a child of the main TaxonName if I am able to find a basionym for a name, which surprised me, as I didn't have to do anything special to get this representation. I'm not completely sure that we're talking about the same thing -- we both seem to be talking about intra-document references -- Jena does at least one kind of reference by default.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Morris [mailto:morris.bob at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, 6 October 2008 13:05
>> To: Richardson, Ben
>> Cc: Technical Architecture Group mailing list; Terry Catapano; Patrick
>> Leary
>> Subject: Re: [tdwg-tag] Where to put LSIDs on tdwg ontology objects
>>
>>
>> I believe any node allows rdf:about without interference with the OWL
>> version. But we need (I think) to refer in the document to various
>> GUIDable objects elsewhere in the documents. Since reification
>> requires (I think) rdf:ID, I am not sure rdf:about can be used....
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Richardson, Ben
>> <Ben.Richardson at dec.wa.gov.au> wrote:
>> > Doesn't TaxonConcept allow:
>> >
>> > <tc:TaxonConcept
>> rdf:about="urn:lsid:biocsi.ohio-state.edu:osuc_concepts:143647">
>> > ..
>> > </tc:TaxonConcept>
>> >
>> > ?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Ben
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: tdwg-tag-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
>> >> [mailto:tdwg-tag-bounces at lists.tdwg.org]On Behalf Of Bob Morris
>> >> Sent: Monday, 6 October 2008 0:11
>> >> To: Technical Architecture Group mailing list
>> >> Cc: Terry Catapano; Patrick Leary
>> >> Subject: [tdwg-tag] Where to put LSIDs on tdwg ontology objects
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In our GBIF/EOL/Plazi SPM project, Terry Catapano and I have formed
>> >> the conclusion (I hope wrong...) that there is not any place on
>> >> several lsidvoc objects to hang an lsid (or any other
>> GUID) asserted
>> >> to identify that object. For example, we don't see any place to put
>> >> one on a TaxonConcept or on a PublicationCitation. In the October 1
>> >> example at
>> >> http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/SPM/PlaziEOLProject we have a
>> >> placeholder hack using
>> >>
>> >> <tc:TaxonConcept rdf:ID="_tc2">
>> >> <tc:nameString xml:lang="en">Dodous
>> bispinosus</tc:nameString>
>> >> <tc:hasInformation
>> >>
>> rdf:resource="urn:lsid:biosci.ohio-state.edu:osuc_concepts:143647"/>
>> >> ...
>> >> </tc:TaxonConcept>
>> >>
>> >> but this is not valid in the tdwg ontology because hasInformation
>> >> requires an InfoItem as its object.
>> >>
>> >> We use other objects that face this problem, e.g. TaxonName, and I
>> >> guess it is quite a broad issue (or not an issue at all if we are
>> >> wrong).
>> >>
>> >> Can someone recommend a valid way to address this, either for these
>> >> three objects, or preferably, in general? If so, thanks
>> in advance.
>> >> If we are right, how about adding an InfoItem class named
>> GUID, that
>> >> includes an enumeration of the usual suspects, suitably typed.
>> >>
>> >> Bob
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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