[tdwg-tapir] Abundance data [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Greg Whitbread ghw at anbg.gov.au
Mon Dec 1 23:10:41 CET 2008


Yes. We do need to open up the process.


On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 07:10, Kevin Richards wrote:
> Me too, I've been thinking the same thing lately.
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> Just goes to show we should open our mouths and voice our opinions
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> From: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
> [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Holetschek,
> Jörg
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 4:12 a.m.
> To: Wouter Addink; TAPIR mailing list
> Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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> count me too... even though i haven't been very active on these lists
> yet...
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>         -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>         Von: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
>         [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org]Im Auftrag vonWouter
>         Addink
>         Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 15:18
>         An: 'TAPIR mailing list'
>         Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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>         +1 kudo
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>         Wouter
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>         From: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
>         [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Roger
>         Hyam
>         Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:07 PM
>         To: Tim Robertson
>         Cc: TAPIR mailing list
>         Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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>         Make that 3 votes total.
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>         Roger
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>         On 1 Dec 2008, at 14:03, Tim Robertson wrote:
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>         On 1 Dec 2008, at 14:59, Markus Döring (GBIF) wrote:
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>         As the average TDWG mailing list is not exactly overloaded
>         with posts, how about consolidating TDWG's mailinglists into
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>         An announcement list for TDWG business (tdwg+process), a
>         technical one (TAG,GUID+TAPIR) and just a single content one. 
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>         This would probably also help to avoid duplication of efforts
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>         On Dec 1, 2008, at 13:29, Holetschek, Jörg wrote:
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>         Tomas,
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>         there's a wiki you might find interesting:
>         http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/
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>         But as far as I know, this is the only mailing list alive for
>         discussions like that...
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>         Jörg
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>                 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>                 Von: bar tomas [mailto:bartomas at gmail.com]
>                 Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 13:13
>                 An: Holetschek, Jörg
>                 Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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>                 Thanks for all your help.
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>                 One last question: is there a mailing list for
>                 specifically discussing conceptual aspects of Darwin
>                 Core, ABCD, etc (I haven't been able to find one) or
>                 is Tapir mailing list for that purpose?
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>                 Thanks
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>                 T. Bar
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>                 On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Holetschek, Jörg
>                 <j.holetschek at bgbm.org> wrote:
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>                 Dear Thomas,
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>                 the ABCD schema can handle such unbounded data - but
>                 the only TAPIR provider software that supports ABCD
>                 (pyWrapper) is not quite bug free. So you'd have to
>                 use the BioCASe protcol - which is apparently not your
>                 intention.
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>                 Cheers from Berlin,
>                 Jörg
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>                 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>                 Von: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
>                 [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org]Im Auftrag
>                 von Tim Robertson
>                 (GBIF)
>                 Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. November 2008 16:22
>                 An: bar tomas
>                 Cc: tdwg-tapir at lists.tdwg.org
>                 Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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>                 This is correct... largely it is used for transfer of
>                 detailed single
>                 specimen records.
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>                 That is not so say you could not define some schema
>                 that reuses sections
>                 of DwC or the TDWG vocabularies - you probably would
>                 have to get into
>                 custom provider software in that case (although maybe
>                 the current tools
>                 would allow for it - Renato could give advice for
>                 TAPIRLink on this).
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>                 Cheers
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>                 Tim
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>                 > Thanks a lot for the information.
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>                 > I suppose when the record is composed of multiple
>                 specimens  (whose
>                 > number
>                 > is recorded in ObservedIndividualCount) the
>                 individual attributes of each
>                 > specimen (age, sex, maturity, etc) cannot be stored.
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>                 > Tomas Bar
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>                 > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Tim Robertson
>                 <trobertson at gbif.org>
>                 > wrote:
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>                 >> Hi T. Bar
>                 >> You might consider the OBIS extensions for Darwin
>                 Core since you are
>                 >> concerned with marine stuff.
>                 >>
>                 >> http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd
>                 >>
>                 >> SampleSize:  the size of the sample from which the
>                 >> collection/observation was drawn.  It can be a
>                 volume (e.g. for a
>                 >> phytoplankton sample), a linear distance (e.g. for
>                 a visual transect or
>                 >> net haul), a surface area (e.g. for a benthic
>                 core), etc.  This field
>                 >> must also include the units, e.g. 200 mfor a
>                 transect, or 0.25 m^2 for a
>                 >> benthic grab (use ^ to denote a superscript).  Note
>                 that when multiple
>                 >> collections/observations are reported from the same
>                 physical sample, a
>                 >> code identifying the sample can be placed in the
>                 Field_Number field to
>                 >> allow all collections/observations from a single
>                 sample to be connected.
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>                 >> IndividualCount is a count of specimens (e.g. not a
>                 count of species).
>                 >> If
>                 >> you want to indicate multiple species, then you
>                 would have a record for
>                 >> each
>                 >> along with the identification and the count  of
>                 individuals of that
>                 >> species.
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>                 >> So in the OBIS schema you have:
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>                 >> ObservedIndividualCount: The number of individuals
>                 (abundance) found in
>                 >> a collection/record event.
>                 >>
>                 >>
>                 >> Cheers,
>                 >>
>                 >> Tim
>                 >>
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>                 >>   On 28 Nov 2008, at 17:05, bar tomas wrote:
>                 >>
>                 >>   Sorry if this question is misplaced in this
>                 discussion list, but I
>                 >> haven't been able to find a mailing list on the
>                 conceptual aspects of
>                 >> Darwin
>                 >> Core.
>                 >>
>                 >>
>                 >> I am interested to know if there are any
>                 recommendations on how to
>                 >> represent abundance in Darwin Core. I have seen
>                 some datasets using
>                 >> IndividualCount and SampleSize. For instance, for a
>                 fishing survey,
>                 >> would
>                 >> you use IndividualCount for the number of species
>                 in a catch, and
>                 >> SampleSize
>                 >> for the distance towed?
>                 >>
>                 >>
>                 >> Thank you very much
>                 >> _______________________________________________
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>                 >> tdwg-tapir at lists.tdwg.org
>                 >> http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir
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>                 ____________________________________________________________
>                 Tim Robertson
>                 Systems Architect
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