[tdwg-guid] TDWG LSID Resolver broken?

Fri Nov 30 11:17:15 CET 2007

Oh, and why is

>
> <tdwg:parentPublication rdf:resource="doi:10.1007/BF02725185" />

the parent? Am I missing something? The citation in question IS the  
publication, so it gets the DOI, not it's parent.

Is the bibliography trying to have a tree, e.g.:  page -> article ->  
journal

If it is, then *gack*. The potential for confusion is pretty large --  
is Richard's metadata about the journal article or a page in the  
article, and how would I know?

I tried to investigate this further but the Wiki http://wiki.tdwg.org/ 
twiki/bin/view/TAG/OntDiscussPublicationCitationPublicationCitation  
is down.

Regards

Rod

>
> Now if we can't treat DOI/Handle as URIs I guess we could treat  
> them as strings and just use the dc identifier (possibly the worst  
> case scenario - this could be an ISBN, local catalogue code or  
> anything).
>
> <dc:identifier>doi:10.1007/BF02725185</dc:identifier>
>
> I presume support for DOI/Handle would have to be added to any  
> semantic web clients to understand any of these.
>
> Would it be better to take the approach we have with LSIDs where we  
> always cite a proxied version?
>
> What do other people do?
>
> We could add a global property so that any object could have one or  
> hasHandle value.
>
> Any solution other than making Handles behave like regular URIs  
> means non-compliance with W3C recommendations and the need for  
> specialist client software I think.
>
> What do you think? Any ideas?
>
> Roger
>
>
>
> On 30 Nov 2007, at 08:10, Roderic Page wrote:
>
>> Dear Rich,
>>
>>> Pyle, R.L. 2002. Pomacanthidae. pp. 3266-3286. In: Carpenter,  
>>> K.E. and V.E.
>>> Niem (Eds.) Living marine resources of the western central  
>>> Pacific.  Volume
>>> 5.  Bony fishes part 3 (Menidae to Pomacentridae). Food and  
>>> Agriculture
>>> Organization of the United Nations (FAO), Rome. i-iv+2791-3379.
>>>
>>> ...there are at least three "levels" of publication:
>>>
>>> 1) Pyle, R.L. 2002. Pomacanthidae. pp. 3266-3286.
>>>
>>> 2) Carpenter, K.E. and V.E. Niem (Eds.) Living marine resources  
>>> of the
>>> western central Pacific.  Volume 5.  Bony fishes part 3 (Menidae to
>>> Pomacentridae). Food and Agriculture Organization of the United  
>>> Nations
>>> (FAO), Rome. i-iv+2791-3379.
>>>
>>> 3) Carpenter, K.E. and V.E. Niem (Eds.) FAO species  
>>> identification guide for
>>> fishery purposes: Living marine resources of the western central  
>>> Pacific.
>>> Vols. 1-6. Food and Agriculture Organization of the United  
>>> Nations (FAO),
>>> Rome. xl+4218 pp.
>>>
>>> Granted, some might argue that number 3 is not really a separate  
>>> citable
>>> "unit", but given that it is a single page number series, I would  
>>> argue that
>>> it is.
>>>
>>> So...if we wanted to cite specifically Pyle 2002, the  
>>> parentCitationString
>>> might simply be the contents of of #2 above; or it might have two  
>>> nested
>>> parents (a parent, and agrand parent).
>>>
>>> As I said before, I'm leaning towards the simpler solution.
>>
>> Isn't this over engineering things a little? Don't you just need a  
>> GUID for the chapter (1), and a GUID for the book (2)? For the  
>> latter we have an ISBN (9251043879), so there's already a GUID for  
>> that.  I don't think we gain much from (3). Furthermore, if we use  
>> the ISBN as the GUID we know the items are linked because they  
>> share the same publisher code.
>>
>>>
>>> As for the ZooBank LSID resolver -- at this point in time  
>>> conformance trumps
>>> optimization (so we can all get off our collective arses and  
>>> serve content)
>>> -- so I'm just woking with what's up there now.  If I'm resolving  
>>> LSIDs, and
>>> I'm doing so because of TDWG standards, then I ought to conform  
>>> to existing
>>> TDWG standards on vocabularies -- right or wrong.  What we need  
>>> to do is
>>> update the TDWG standards on this (which the St. Lousi meeting was
>>> attempting to accomplish), so we can conform *and* optimize!
>>>
>>
>> The TDWG standard should need to be expanded to handle other kinds  
>> of GUIDs, notably Handles, which are being widely used in Digital  
>> Repositories.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Rod
>>
>>
>>
>>> Aloha,
>>> Rich
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
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>> Editor, Systematic Biology
>> DEEB, IBLS
>> Graham Kerr Building
>> University of Glasgow
>> Glasgow G12 8QP
>> United Kingdom
>>
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Editor, Systematic Biology
DEEB, IBLS
Graham Kerr Building
University of Glasgow
Glasgow G12 8QP
United Kingdom

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Fax: +44 141 330 2792
email: r.page at bio.gla.ac.uk
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