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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If people are agreeable to Yani’s suggestion that we go with the terms we have now, then maybe we can shoot for our Wednesday meeting be focused on reviewing everything to make sure everything is ready to
go and officially submit right after that. I agree with what Yani said about use running out of time if we want this done before the annual meeting on October.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Is the hierarchical events document ready to be turned into Markdown? If so, I will do that before Wednesday. If I make the conversion, we can still make changes, but they would need to be done to the Markdown
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">tdwg-humboldt <tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org> on behalf of ys628 <yanina.sica@yale.edu><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:09 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Humboldt Core TG <tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org>, Wesley M. Hochachka <wmh6@cornell.edu>, tuco@berkeley.edu <tuco@berkeley.edu><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Markus Döring (GBIF) <mdoering@gbif.org>, Peter Desmet <peter.desmet.work@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [tdwg-humboldt] Humboldt Extension Public Review preparations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks John and Steve for proving the Darwin Core Maintenance Group guidance on how to move forward with the bycatch. Also, the landing page looks awesome!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="contentpasted2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">I am inclined to go for your third option (leave the proposal as is without additional terms, get it through ratification, and sometime
afterwards propose new terms) mainly because of time. If we would like to have the extension at least on the way to be ratified, the public review process needs to be initialized ASAP and I do not think that is compatible with including 2 more terms. Developing
the definition, comments and examples for 'bycatch terms' and providing a proper description of the concept of bycatch will necessarily take a few weeks and we are already in mid-August.</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="contentpasted1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">To provide some background, we are considering
<b>bycatch as all non-target species recorded in the event. Right now,</b></span></span><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black"> occurrences of any taxa that are not included in eco:taxonTaxonomicScope are assumed to be
bycatch</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">. So, an end user that needs to work with targeted species only, needs to identify and filter out the non-target species by having a clear understanding of the taxonomic
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">We all agree that including a term that flags if bycatch (or non-target) species were included in the dataset would be very useful for that type of user (an also
for completeness in case of future taxonomic changes). But for including such a term, it might also be very useful to include a term specifying if ALL bycatch species were reported (maybe only certain species were included and others not) or even a term where
data providers can list their bycatch species or taxa.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">We have discussed the addition of terms related to bycatch a couple of times before and we never reached an agreement. I believe such terms need to be discussed and
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">Do not get me wrong, I think these terms are useful and important BUT I think they could come as a response to potential comments during the public review or just
as soon as the vocabulary is ratified. This is the nice thing about community developed standards, it is a never-ending story
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">But I am happy to go with the majority here, I think it is completely fine if people feel the need to have these terms as part of the vocabulary from the very beginning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">Hope everybody is fine! Sorry for a Sunday email...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> tdwg-humboldt <tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org> on behalf of John Wieczorek <tuco@berkeley.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 12, 2023 2:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Humboldt Core TG <tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org>; Wesley M. Hochachka <wmh6@cornell.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Markus Döring (GBIF) <mdoering@gbif.org>; Peter Desmet <peter.desmet.work@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [tdwg-humboldt] Humboldt Extension Public Review preparations</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Steve and I have been working through and finished (to the extent we can) the preparations of the documents needed for the public review of the Humboldt Extension. The idea is that the basic entry point to
the review would be <a href="https://github.com/tdwg/hc/blob/main/docs/index.md">
this landing page</a> and that everything to review would be accessible from there. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">We need the Task Group to finalize all documents to be included and to authorize the Darwin Core Maintenance Group to initiate the review. When authorized, the Darwin Core Task Group will send a message introducing
the submission and how people should review it. It would be great to have a brief statement presenting the proposal from the Task Group to have at the beginning of that message. The DwC Maintenance Group will also solicit the TDWG Outreach folks to publicize
the public review via various channels and social media. Anyone will be welcome to further publicize it in any community that TDWG misses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The issue of new terms for by-catch came up late in last Wednesday's meeting after several people had to leave. I don't feel comfortable including anything official from that conversation without the Task
Group making decisions. There are a few reasonable options. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The first option for the "by-catch" terms is to add those terms now and include them in the proposal. That means work up front to make sure the terms are well-defined and thought through. Think of this ratification
process very much as if it was the publication of a manuscript with peer review. As such, an important goal is to try to avoid avoidable public discussion, which has the potential to slow things down or even derail ratification. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">A second option might be to propose the new terms during public review and see if there is buy-in. This strategy is likely to make the ratification process slower, and runs a risk (that I might be inventing)
that if such an added proposal came from people in the Task Group, reviewers might view that our work was submitted unfinished. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">A third option might be to leave the proposal as is without additional terms, get it through ratification, and sometime afterwards propose new terms. This follows the normal evolution process of Darwin Core,
so there would not be anything odd about it. It would also guarantee that there is demand for such terms, as that is a prerequisite for accepting new term proposals.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It isn't for the Darwin Core Maintenance Group to decide the strategy the Task Group should take, but rather to advise and facilitate in the search for a successful proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I hope this feels like we are getting close.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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