[tdwg-humboldt] FW: Humboldt Task Group Meeting Wed 29 Nov 2023, 12:00 UTC

Fri Dec 1 18:17:48 UTC 2023

Thanks Rob.  Yes, we should be able to start the clock againfrom the last
time a change was made to a proposal.

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 8:33 AM Rob Stevenson <rdstevenson10 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> John, thanks for your comment.  I think Yani is traveling and Peter  our
> direct link to Peggy is on vacation.
>
>  Pater said in the meeting that he has been talking to Peggy about her
> comments. He expressed confidence that the team was addressing the issues
> but we do need confirmation from Peggy.
>
> I think it is best to let Yani handle this as she said she was going to be
> in contact with Peggy.
>
> Best
> Rob
>
> I was hoping that we could start the clock today and with fingers crossed
> finish this process in 2023 but I think we will have to wait to complete
> our check with Peggy.  :)
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 9:51 AM John Wieczorek <gtuco.btuco at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Steve for this update and the effort. It would be good to have
>> recognition of acceptance from an ALA representative in the respective
>> Github issues for all resolutions proposed by the Task Group. That would
>> leave all open issues with clear status with respect to consensus.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 11:37 AM Baskauf, Steven James <
>> steve.baskauf at vanderbilt.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I just did “reply-all”.
>>>
>>> s
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D.  he/him/his
>>>
>>> Data Science and Data Curation Specialist / Librarian III
>>>
>>> Digital Lab, Jean & Alexander Heard Libraries, Vanderbilt University
>>>
>>> Nashville, TN 37235, USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Biodiversity Information Standards (TDWG) Executive Committee/Technical
>>> Architecture Group Chair
>>>
>>> https://baskauf.github.io/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Baskauf, Steven James <steve.baskauf at Vanderbilt.Edu>
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 8:03 AM
>>> *To: *Humboldt Core TG <tdwg-humboldt at lists.tdwg.org>, Wesley M.
>>> Hochachka <wmh6 at cornell.edu>, John Wieczorek <tuco at berkeley.edu>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [tdwg-humboldt] Humboldt Task Group Meeting Wed 29 Nov
>>> 2023, 12:00 UTC
>>>
>>> Hi Yani et al.,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter, Rob S., and I met this morning and thrashed our way through the
>>> Miscellaneous section from ALA in the Google doc
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OxJ_H5vBd9pucjdgQDa6qMaQKl4O89gf/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=116355305033345986500&rtpof=true&sd=true
>>> that you referred to in your email below.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the Miscellaneous section, we believe that we have addressed the
>>> issues that were raised; for each of them there is a description of our
>>> conclusion in the notes (following “Steve:” in each case). In each of the
>>> cases, we concluded that no action was required based on the reasons we
>>> gave. We spent quite a bit of time discussing whether the term
>>> samplingEffortProtocolReferences should be added. Our conclusion was that
>>> it should not, since the specific amount of effort applied in a particular
>>> survey would often be unique to that survey and therefore not likely to
>>> actually be published anywhere. It’s really a specialization of a published
>>> protocol that would be cited in protocolReferences. If for some reason
>>> multiple users found a real need for the term it could be added later using
>>> the normal DwC term addition process. If you concur with this reasoning,
>>> then Issue #87 would need to be closed without taking action.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Based on discussion in previous meetings, we concurred that adding
>>> verbatimTargetScope was probably necessary, so we also created the new term
>>> verbatimTargetScope in Issue #96 https://github.com/tdwg/hc/issues/96.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We pressed on with the discussion beyond the normal meeting time in
>>> order to wrap this up. We were in agreement that it would be really
>>> desirable to have this done by the end of calendar 2023. Yani, if you can
>>> verify that we’ve actually addressed all of the issues that ALA raised and
>>> ping John about that, we can set the 30 day clock running prior to the end
>>> of November. That would allow us to submit before or soon after Jan 1. Once
>>> the clock is running, Yani, John, and Steve could be working on making sure
>>> that the spreadsheet is up to date with any changes that we made so that
>>> the QRG and List of Terms can be updated for final submission by the DwC
>>> Maintenance Group to the Executive for ratification.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are so close!
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D.  he/him/his
>>>
>>> Data Science and Data Curation Specialist / Librarian III
>>>
>>> Digital Lab, Jean & Alexander Heard Libraries, Vanderbilt University
>>>
>>> Nashville, TN 37235, USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Biodiversity Information Standards (TDWG) Executive Committee/Technical
>>> Architecture Group Chair
>>>
>>> https://baskauf.github.io/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *tdwg-humboldt <tdwg-humboldt-bounces at lists.tdwg.org> on behalf
>>> of Yanina Sica <yanina.sica at gmail.com>
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 4:47 AM
>>> *To: *Humboldt Core TG <tdwg-humboldt at lists.tdwg.org>, Wesley M.
>>> Hochachka <wmh6 at cornell.edu>, John Wieczorek <tuco at berkeley.edu>
>>> *Subject: *[tdwg-humboldt] Humboldt Task Group Meeting Wed 29 Nov 2023,
>>> 12:00 UTC
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> End of the year is getting closer and many people will start going on
>>> holidays. We still have some things to discuss but let's aim to finish them
>>> this week. *The goal is to submit all our responses to the GitHub
>>> issues and potential new terms or changes by end Nov or  beginning Dec.
>>> After this, the clock will restart and we will have to wait for another
>>> month before ratifying. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In order to be effective over the next week, *I will ask you to share
>>> your comments (either in the meeting or over email) about a few points:*
>>>
>>>    - Please review the  *Miscellaneous* section from ALA (page 16 here
>>>    <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OxJ_H5vBd9pucjdgQDa6qMaQKl4O89gf/edit>
>>>    ).
>>>    - Please revise the *new term proposed* (see below) about reporting
>>>    of scope in a more descriptive way. This term should be used as a last
>>>    resort and in no way should replace the other scope trms. This term will
>>>    allow to capture targets that are not included in the more explicits target
>>>    scopes (e.g. targetTaxonomicScope) at least until new target scopes are
>>>    proposed, and give more flexibility in the scope reporting, that is why we
>>>    propose to include it as a verbatim term. This term will not allow
>>>    completeness or absence inference.
>>>
>>>
>>>    - New term: eco:verbatimTargetScope
>>>       - Definition: ‘The verbatim original description of the dwc:Event
>>>       scope.’
>>>       - Comments: ‘Recommended best practice is first to populate
>>>       explicit scope terms to the fullest extent possible (e.g.
>>>       eco:targetTaxonomicScope). It is not recommended to use this term in
>>>       assessing absence or completeness.’ Scope of last resort! :)
>>>       - Examples: ‘small mammals’; ‘freshwater macroinvertebrates’;
>>>       ‘dead animals’
>>>
>>> *Peggy*, do you think you can join our next meeting? If not, can you
>>> suggest some time slots that work for you? I know it will be hard to
>>> coordinate a time that works for everybody and you have already spoken with
>>> Peter but it might be nice for some of us to meet with you and discuss your
>>> very appreciated feedback. In the meetine, we have collected some thoughts
>>> in this document
>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OxJ_H5vBd9pucjdgQDa6qMaQKl4O89gf/edit>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, I will not be able to meet this week. My flight to
>>> Argentina got cancelled and now I am travelling tonight and will not be in
>>> time for our meeting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yani
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yani
>>>
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