<div dir="ltr">Hi Paco,<div>I'm glad to hear Plinian Core is active, I only recently discovered it and think it is a good initiative. The species data I've seen is in quite diverse and in unstandardised formats. It would be nice to see some of the big providers using Plinian Core.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not so worried about imposing limitations on users, because as far as I can see Darwin Core only recommends vocabularies, it doesn't enforce them. Having said that, it would be useful to know what is meant by "<i>Recommended best practice is to use <u>a</u> controlled vocabulary</i>", because if Darwin Core doesn't impose a vocabulary and there is no field to specify which vocabulary you are using then it doesn't help interoperability much.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm happy to also discuss off list. Invasiveness and impact are difficult to standardize and so far I've chosen other fields that I consider easier to gain consensus on.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div>Quentin</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Dr. Quentin Groom</div><div>(Botany and Information Technology)</div><div><br></div><div>Botanic Garden Meise</div><div>Domein van Bouchout</div><div>B-1860 Meise</div><div>Belgium</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://orcid.org/0000-0002-0596-5376" target="_blank">ORCID: 0000-0002-0596-5376</a></div><div><br></div><div>Landline; +32 (0) 226 009 20 ext. 364</div><div>FAX: +32 (0) 226 009 45</div><div><br></div><div>E-mail: <a href="mailto:quentin.groom@plantentuinmeise.be" target="_blank">quentin.groom@plantentuinmeise.be</a></div><div>Skype name: qgroom</div><div>Website: <a href="http://www.botanicgarden.be" target="_blank">www.botanicgarden.be</a></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 24 May 2016 at 19:08, Francisco Pando <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pando@gbif.es" target="_blank">pando@gbif.es</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Quentin et al.,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Plinian Core is active and backed up by an international group that seeks expansion. A session is planned in TDWG 2016 about it within the Species Information Interest Group slot.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">"Invasiveness" is a section within the Plinian Core schema:</span> <a href="https://github.com/PlinianCore/Documentation/wiki/InvasivenessClass" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">https://github.com/PlinianCore/Documentation/wiki/InvasivenessClass</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> It is much based on the GISIN schema. This can be revisited, updated and harmonized with current initiatives, some mentioned in this thread. Quentin, we may do a bit of exchange of-list<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Whereas shared vocabularies bring plenty of good things , I share Chuck’s concerns about imposing some unwanted limitations for some potential users of the schema.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Paco<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1f497d">Francisco Pando<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1f497d">Investigador <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1f497d">Real Jardín Botánico - CSIC <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1f497d">Plaza de Murillo, 2 <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1f497d">28014 Madrid, Spain <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1f497d">Tel.<a href="tel:%2B34%2091%20420%203017%20x%20172" value="+34914203017" target="_blank">+34 91 420 3017 x 172</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> tdwg-content [mailto:<a href="mailto:tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org" target="_blank">tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Quentin Groom<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 23, 2016 10:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> Chuck Miller</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>Cc:</b> TDWG Content Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [tdwg-content] A proposal to improve Darwin Core for invasive species data<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Chuck,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">thanks for your point. The use cases I'm thinking of are conservation red-listing; horizon-scanning for potential new invasives; early warning of new aliens; impact assessment and invasion monitoring. We have recently be discussing the possibility of automating all of these process so that they can be repeated regularly, or as soon as new data becomes available. Obviously, for this we need observations, but we also need check-lists to tell us what is considered native or alien, present or extinct.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I know more about invasive species research than red-listing, but I am aware that the current rate of red-listing is so slow that most things will become extinct before they are assessed. Given that the IUCN criteria are so clear, it should be possible to automate the whole process using GBIF. The only limitation with then be mobilizing the observations.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Regards<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Quentin<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dr. Quentin Groom<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">(Botany and Information Technology)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Botanic Garden Meise<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Domein van Bouchout<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">B-1860 Meise<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Belgium<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://orcid.org/0000-0002-0596-5376" target="_blank">ORCID: 0000-0002-0596-5376</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Landline; +32 (0) 226 009 20 ext. 364<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">FAX: +32 (0) 226 009 45<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">E-mail: <a href="mailto:quentin.groom@plantentuinmeise.be" target="_blank">quentin.groom@plantentuinmeise.be</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Skype name: qgroom<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Website: <a href="http://www.botanicgarden.be" target="_blank">www.botanicgarden.be</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 23 May 2016 at 21:10, Chuck Miller <<a href="mailto:Chuck.Miller@mobot.org" target="_blank">Chuck.Miller@mobot.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Quentin,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I think in addition to defining the community that needs the new Origin term, you also need to define the use cases to which the proposed controlled vocabularies for establishmentMeans and occurenceStatus apply. Darwin Core is used in multiple ways. I think there may be use cases for these terms that don’t match the invasive species use cases. One controlled vocabulary may not work for all Darwin Core users. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Best regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Chuck</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00b050">Chuck Miller | VP-IT & CIO | Missouri Botanical Garden</span></i><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00b050">4344 Shaw Boulevard | Saint Louis, MO 63110 | Phone 314-577-9419</span></i><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> tdwg-content [mailto:<a href="mailto:tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org" target="_blank">tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Wieczorek<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 23, 2016 1:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> Quentin Groom<br><b>Cc:</b> TDWG Content Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [tdwg-content] A proposal to improve Darwin Core for invasive species data</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Quentin,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your effort in putting forth these welll thought out proposals. At various times I have heard discussions on the inadequecy of establishmentMeans. Your work encapsulates the problem well. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">One of the things that helps when proposing to add a Darwin Core term is demonstrating that there is a community that needs it. Can you tell us who has a demonstrated need to share this information? Anyone out there who has this interest is also welcome to share that here to provide evidence of demand from more than one group, project or individual.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">John<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Quentin Groom <<a href="mailto:quentin.groom@plantentuinmeise.be" target="_blank">quentin.groom@plantentuinmeise.be</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I've been working on a proposal to improve Darwin Core for use with invasive species data.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The proposal is detailed on GitHub at <a href="https://github.com/qgroom/ias-dwc-proposal/blob/master/proposal.md" target="_blank">https://github.com/qgroom/ias-dwc-proposal/blob/master/proposal.md</a>.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The proposal is for a new term "origin" and suggested vocabularies for establishmentMeans and occurrenceStatus.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I'd welcome your feedback on the proposal.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">From my perspective it provides some needed clarity on the establishmentMeans and occurrenceStatus fields, but also adds the origin that is needed for invasive species research and for conservation assessments.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I'm not sure of the best way to discuss this, but if you have concrete proposals for changes you might raise them as issues on GitHub, as well as mentioning them here.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Regards<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Quentin<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dr. Quentin Groom<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">(Botany and Information Technology)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Botanic Garden Meise<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Domein van Bouchout<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">B-1860 Meise<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Belgium<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://orcid.org/0000-0002-0596-5376" target="_blank">ORCID: 0000-0002-0596-5376</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Landline; +32 (0) 226 009 20 ext. 364<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">FAX: +32 (0) 226 009 45<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">E-mail: <a href="mailto:quentin.groom@plantentuinmeise.be" target="_blank">quentin.groom@plantentuinmeise.be</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Skype name: qgroom<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Website: <a href="http://www.botanicgarden.be" target="_blank">www.botanicgarden.be</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>_______________________________________________<br>tdwg-content mailing list<br><a href="mailto:tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org" target="_blank">tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-content" target="_blank">http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-content</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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