<div dir="ltr">Hi Tim,<div>I will have to look at your links in more detail, but I think there is overlap. One thing I have avoided doing with these proposals is suggesting terms or vocabularies for whole taxa. So I feel invasiveness and impact are out of my scope. There are difficulties defining these for several reasons from the invasive species community, but I also think Darwin Core is not best suited to describing whole taxa, though there are some grey areas. I don't know how active Plinian Core is, but that seems to be a good home for these terms.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm glad there is so much interest in this area at the moment as that increases the likelihood of change.</div><div>Regards</div><div>Quentin</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Dr. Quentin Groom</div><div>(Botany and Information Technology)</div><div><br></div><div>Botanic Garden Meise</div><div>Domein van Bouchout</div><div>B-1860 Meise</div><div>Belgium</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://orcid.org/0000-0002-0596-5376" target="_blank">ORCID: 0000-0002-0596-5376</a></div><div><br></div><div>Landline; +32 (0) 226 009 20 ext. 364</div><div>FAX: +32 (0) 226 009 45</div><div><br></div><div>E-mail: <a href="mailto:quentin.groom@plantentuinmeise.be" target="_blank">quentin.groom@plantentuinmeise.be</a></div><div>Skype name: qgroom</div><div>Website: <a href="http://www.botanicgarden.be" target="_blank">www.botanicgarden.be</a></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 May 2016 at 20:47, Tim Robertson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:trobertson@gbif.org" target="_blank">trobertson@gbif.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Hi Quentin, John,</div>
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<div>This is rather timely… Over last 2 months or so GBIF have again been working with the IUCN and GIASIP folks to massage some checklist datasets into a format which included a pathway vocabulary [1] and data structures to model distribution [2] and the
pathway itself [3]. These are preliminary at this stage and exist in the sandbox repository so can be used with IPTs in the TEST mode. To demonstrate progress with the project partners, an IPT with some datasets is available on <a href="http://giasip.gbif.org/" target="_blank">http://giasip.gbif.org/</a> and
was recently presented at the CBD SBSTTA meeting by Tim Hirsch.</div>
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<div>The vocabulary GBIF have thus far adopted was "developed under the leadership of the IUCN Species Survival Commission Invasive Species Specialist Group (IUCN SSC ISSG). The vocabulary was published as supplementary material in Pagad et al., 2015, IUCN
SSC Invasive Species Specialist Group: invasive alien species information management supporting practitioners, policy makers and decision takers (<a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.3391/mbi.2015.6.2.03" target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.3391/mbi.2015.6.2.03</a>).”</div>
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<div>I think it would be worthwhile exploring if these efforts can converge before progressing too much further – there seems to be a lot of overlap from first glance.</div>
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<div>[1] <a href="http://rs.gbif.org/sandbox/vocabulary/issg/pathway.xml" target="_blank">http://rs.gbif.org/sandbox/vocabulary/issg/pathway.xml</a></div>
<div>[2] <a href="http://rs.gbif.org/sandbox/extension/issg-distribution.xml" target="_blank">http://rs.gbif.org/sandbox/extension/issg-distribution.xml</a></div>
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<div>[3] <a href="http://rs.gbif.org/sandbox/extension/issg-pathway.xml" target="_blank">http://rs.gbif.org/sandbox/extension/issg-pathway.xml</a></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Quentin Groom <<a href="mailto:quentin.groom@plantentuinmeise.be" target="_blank">quentin.groom@plantentuinmeise.be</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [tdwg-content] A proposal to improve Darwin Core for invasive species data<br>
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<div>Thank you for your effort in putting forth these welll thought out proposals. At various times I have heard discussions on the inadequecy of establishmentMeans. Your work encapsulates the problem well. </div>
<div>One of the things that helps when proposing to add a Darwin Core term is demonstrating that there is a community that needs it. Can you tell us who has a demonstrated need to share this information? Anyone out there who has this interest is also welcome
to share that here to provide evidence of demand from more than one group, project or individual.</div>
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<div>I've been working on a proposal to improve Darwin Core for use with invasive species data.</div>
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<div>The proposal is detailed on GitHub at <a href="https://github.com/qgroom/ias-dwc-proposal/blob/master/proposal.md" target="_blank">
https://github.com/qgroom/ias-dwc-proposal/blob/master/proposal.md</a>.</div>
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<div>The proposal is for a new term "origin" and suggested vocabularies for establishmentMeans and occurrenceStatus.</div>
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<div>I'd welcome your feedback on the proposal.</div>
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<div>From my perspective it provides some needed clarity on the establishmentMeans and occurrenceStatus fields, but also adds the origin that is needed for invasive species research and for conservation assessments.</div>
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<div>I'm not sure of the best way to discuss this, but if you have concrete proposals for changes you might raise them as issues on GitHub, as well as mentioning them here.</div>
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