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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=DE link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Oh my gosh, Tim you made my day! Have you tried the link you’ve created? Scroll down below “Kontakt”…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Tim Robertson [GBIF] [mailto:trobertson@gbif.org] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 6. Mai 2014 16:26<br><b>An:</b> Dröge, Gabriele<br><b>Cc:</b> Gregor Hagedorn; tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [tdwg-content] delimiter characters for concatenated IDs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Gabi,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>It’s been raised before, but I’d also like to discourage anyone assembling record identifiers algorithmically.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Should a collection code change in time then one of 2 things happen, neither of which are desirable:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> a) the record ID changes and all links and caches are broken<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> b) the record ID stays the same, but is confusing to any observer as it contradicts the record content<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We see this happen very regularly as GBIF index datasets, and it results in the kind of blogs Rod offers regularly. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would encourage using well curated primary keys, and then offering search services such as <a href="http://gabi.de/specimen?catalogNumber=XXX&collecctionCode=YYY">http://gabi.de/specimen?catalogNumber=XXX&collecctionCode=YYY</a> to aid discovery.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Tim<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 06 May 2014, at 15:45, Dröge, Gabriele <<a href="mailto:g.droege@BGBM.ORG">g.droege@BGBM.ORG</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks Gregor! I must say I really like this idea for our short term solution! Will discuss this with my team.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Gabi</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Gregor Hagedorn [<a href="mailto:gregor.hagedorn@mfn-berlin.de"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:gregor.hagedorn@mfn-berlin.de</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Dienstag, 6. Mai 2014 13:57<br><b>An:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Dröge, Gabriele<br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org"><span style='color:purple'>tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org</span></a><br><b>Betreff:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [tdwg-content] delimiter characters for concatenated IDs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On the original question: my preference when creating an identifier for the triplet would be to be transparent, and create the identifer with the dwc terms embedded, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>i.e. use <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>institutionCode=BGBM&collectionCode=xxx&catalogNumber=289742874239872<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>as the "self-coined" identifier string. While "&" may not be unique, the delimiter <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>&collectionCode=<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>is very likely so. And it is transparent, self-documenting what is going on (and I do not mean that people need to parse it - which they could in either case)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Gregor<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 5 May 2014 15:24, "Dröge, Gabriele" <<a href="mailto:g.droege@bgbm.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>g.droege@bgbm.org</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I guess there might have been some discussions about proper delimiter characters in the past that I have missed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>In several projects, first of all in GGBN (Global Genome Biodiversity Network,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.ggbn.org/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.ggbn.org</span></a>), there is a need for making a decision now. We need to reference between different records and databases and within Darwin Core we want to use the relatedResourceID to do so.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>During our GGBN workshop at TDWG last year we agreed on concatenating the traditional triple ID (Catalogue Number, Collection Code, Institution Code) and add further parameters if required too (e.g. GUID, access point). We have checked those parameters and can definitely not use a single character as delimiter.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>So my question to you is, if there are already some suggestions on using two characters together as delimiters. It would be great if we could find a solution more than one community could agree on.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Otherwise I would like to open the discussion and suggest "\\", "||", "\|", "§|", "§§", or "\§".</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Best wishes,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Gabi</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>-----------------------------------------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Gabriele Droege</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Coordinator - DNA Bank Network</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Global Genome Biodiversity Network (GGBN)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Berlin-Dahlem DNA Bank</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Women's Officer ZE BGBM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Botanic Garden and Botanical Museum Berlin-Dahlem<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Freie Universität Berlin<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Koenigin-Luise-Str. 6-8<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>14195 Berlin<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Germany<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="tel:%2B49%2030%20838%2050%20139" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>+49 30 838 50 139</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.dnabank-network.org/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>www.dnabank-network.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.ggbn.org/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>www.ggbn.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><a href="http://www.bgbm.org/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>www.bgbm.org</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>tdwg-content mailing list<br><a href="mailto:tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org"><span style='color:purple'>tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org</span></a><br><a href="http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-content" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-content</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>---------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dr. Gregor Hagedorn<br>Head of Digital World and Information Science<br>Museum für Naturkunde Berlin<br>Leibniz-Institut für Evolutions- und Biodiversitätsforschung<br>Invalidenstrasse 43, 10115 Berlin<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>+49 (0)30 2093 8576 (work)<br>+49-(0)30-831 5785 (private)<br><a href="mailto:gregor.hagedorn@mfn-berlin.de" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>gregor.hagedorn@mfn-berlin.de</span></a><br><a href="http://www.naturkundemuseum-berlin.de/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.naturkundemuseum-berlin.de</span></a><br><a href="http://linkedin.com/in/gregorhagedorn" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://linkedin.com/in/gregorhagedorn</span></a><br><br>This communication, together with any attachments, is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. 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