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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m hoping the new group will be a foray into the exciting area of semantic web technologies, where we all start from a good base of having the basic technologies
“accepted”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Well founded human behaviours are hard to avoid, even for the best of us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I think all we can do (as you have done Pete) is keep persisting with our viewpoints and be a little tolerant of this well documented human (mis)behaviour,
as it is obviously bound to happen again to some degree.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Looking forward to the new task group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Kevin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter DeVries<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 25 September 2011 5:03 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [tdwg-content] Fwd: An individual identified to a higher group like Order, is still an instance of a species - just a species that is currently unspecified<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Steve,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Below is an example of an explanation that was later attributed to you. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are several similar examples that I can also track down.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is not a conspiracy but a behavior that is very common in human organizations often referred to as cliquishness. <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cliquishness" target="_blank">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cliquishness</a><br>
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Over the years I have written emails with suggestions for the Darwin Core, yet only recently was there any mention or reference to there being a standard protocol for doing this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And yes I did propose that we have a small group that makes up test cases etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While thinking about whether to attend the meeting the year I realized that there had been no real progress since last year.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Which suggests some dysfunctionality, since the public-lod list seems to be able to make real progress via their email list.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">After nearly 6 years of arguing against my suggestions to adopt a more semantic approach suddenly there is consensus that this is a good idea and that we should form a group to do it?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Why isn't Bob Morris arguing against changing a standard with "millions of records", like he did with my suggestions?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now he is an advocate for the Semantic Web?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So my question is will the new group demonstrate the same dysfunctionality as the tdwg-tag.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Since several people now seem to now accepted ideas that they previously argued against, I suspect it will also not operate in good faith and I would expect the same kind of errors, omissions and misrepresentations that were seen in the
KOS report.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Pete<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: <b>Peter DeVries</b> <<a href="mailto:pete.devries@gmail.com" target="_blank">pete.devries@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:07 AM<br>
Subject: An individual identified to a higher group like Order, is still an instance of a species - just a species that is currently unspecified<br>
To: <a href="mailto:tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org" target="_blank">tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org</a><br>
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What I would recommend is that you treat a specimen that is identified to an order (Perciformes) with something like the following.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Species => <span style="color:#006600">Order Perciformes species undetermined.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The individual is still an instance of a species, however that species has yet to be determined.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What would work best is to have some standard way of writing the green string above.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This would allow the occurrences that are of individuals identified only to the Order Perciformes, to be interpreted as a species that falls somewhere within the Order Perciformes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Pete<o:p></o:p></p>
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Pete DeVries<br>
Department of Entomology<br>
University of Wisconsin - Madison<br>
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Pete DeVries<br>
Department of Entomology<br>
University of Wisconsin - Madison<br>
445 Russell Laboratories<br>
1630 Linden Drive<br>
Madison, WI 53706<br>
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