Hi Dean,<div><br></div><div>We are mixing the finding the correct publication with having the ability to uniquely identify it.</div><div><br></div><div>What I would like is a system which contains the correct metadata that knowledgable editors could choose and link to. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Eventually these links would be made by taxon experts who author or edit the species concepts. </div><div><br></div><div>My plan would be to have concept authors / editors locate the appropriate article in the BHL and then link to it.</div>
<div><br></div><div><meta charset="utf-8"><div>I think I have a simple version of what you are describing, but with a fundamental problem.*</div><div><br></div></div><div>Here is an example that I believe is correct. </div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://bit.ly/dWjdJA">http://bit.ly/dWjdJA</a></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://bit.ly/dWjdJA"></a>The URI itself is <a href="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#OriginalDescription">http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#OriginalDescription</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>*Ideally, these should be done in a way that is independent of the species concept, but my goal is not to create another Linked Data resource for citations. So these are done as metadata included within the species concept RDF document.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If you look at that section of the RDF itself.</div><div><br></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <txn:SpeciesOriginalDescription rdf:about="<a href="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#OriginalDescription">http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#OriginalDescription</a>"></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#990000"><!-- Ideally, this should link to a resource in the Biodiversity Heritage Library --></font></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <dcterms:title>Original Published Description relating to Species Concept Puma concolor se:v6n7p</dcterms:title></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <dcterms:identifier><a href="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#OriginalDescription">http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#OriginalDescription</a></dcterms:identifier></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <dcterms:description>LOD metadata about the original species description relating to Species Concept Puma concolor se:v6n7p</dcterms:description></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <dcterms:isPartOf rdf:resource="<a href="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#Species">http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#Species</a>"/></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <txn:hasAuthorURI rdf:resource="<a href="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Carl_Linnaeus">http://dbpedia.org/resource/Carl_Linnaeus</a>"/></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <txn:hasBasionymName>Felis concolor Linnaeus 1771</txn:hasBasionymName></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <txn:year>1771</txn:year></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <txn:hasPDFVersion rdf:resource="<a href="http://assets.geospecies.org/spec_concept_uuid/603bebac-cc44-4168-bbf7-b11b976f9d79/Felis_concolor_Linnaeus_1771.pdf">http://assets.geospecies.org/spec_concept_uuid/603bebac-cc44-4168-bbf7-b11b976f9d79/Felis_concolor_Linnaeus_1771.pdf</a>"/></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <txn:speciesOriginalDescriptionHasSpeciesConcept rdf:resource="<a href="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#Species">http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p#Species</a>"/></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#990000"><!-- There should be a type specimen. Add link to GBIF via 'txn:sodHasTypeSpecimen' if they know about it. --></font></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <wdrs:describedBy rdf:resource="<a href="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p.rdf">http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p.rdf</a>"/></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> </txn:SpeciesOriginalDescription></font></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Here is an example that is currently a placeholder for the original description but links to what the Harvard DB believes is the type specimen for <i>Stereopalpus vestitus </i>(Say 1824)</div>
<div><br></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <txn:SpeciesOriginalDescription rdf:about="<a href="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/MYQMc#OriginalDescription">http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/MYQMc#OriginalDescription</a>"></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#990000"><!-- Ideally, this should link to a resource in the Biodiversity Heritage Library --></font></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <dcterms:title>Original Published Description relating to Species Concept Stereopalpus vestitus se:MYQMc</dcterms:title></font></div><div>
<font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <dcterms:identifier><a href="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/MYQMc#OriginalDescription">http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/MYQMc#OriginalDescription</a></dcterms:identifier></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <dcterms:description>LOD metadata about the original species description relating to Species Concept Stereopalpus vestitus se:MYQMc</dcterms:description></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <dcterms:isPartOf rdf:resource="<a href="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/MYQMc#Species">http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/MYQMc#Species</a>"/></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <txn:hasAuthorURI rdf:resource="<a href="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Thomas_Say">http://dbpedia.org/resource/Thomas_Say</a>"/></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <txn:year>1824</txn:year></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <txn:speciesOriginalDescriptionHasSpeciesConcept rdf:resource="<a href="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/MYQMc#Species">http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/MYQMc#Species</a>"/></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#990000"><!-- There should be a type specimen. Add link to GBIF via 'txn:sodHasTypeSpecimen' if they know about it. --></font></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <txn:hasEtypePage rdf:resource="<a href="http://mcz-28168.oeb.harvard.edu/mcz/FMPro?-DB=Image.fm&amp;-Lay=web&amp;-Format=images.htm&amp;Species_ID=4871&amp;-Find">http://mcz-28168.oeb.harvard.edu/mcz/FMPro?-DB=Image.fm&amp;-Lay=web&amp;-Format=images.htm&amp;Species_ID=4871&amp;-Find</a>"/></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> <wdrs:describedBy rdf:resource="<a href="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/MYQMc.rdf">http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/MYQMc.rdf</a>"/></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="garamond, serif" size="1"> </txn:SpeciesOriginalDescription></font></div></div><div><br></div><div>Respectfully,</div><div><br></div><div>- Pete<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Dean Pentcheff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pentcheff@gmail.com">pentcheff@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
A wrinkle on this is that the authority information (name and year)<br>
are not the same thing as the actual original publication. Nor is the<br>
bibliographic metadata for a publication the same thing as the<br>
publication.<br>
<br>
My hypothesis is that taxonomists (and taxonomy) "want" linkage like this:<br>
taxon name ==> correct authority information ==> correct<br>
bibliographic metadata ==> actual original publication (full-text)<br>
<br>
In the general case, you can't determine the authority date by<br>
inspection of the actual original publication. You often need external<br>
information regarding publication mechanics. (Yes, I know that the<br>
date printed on the publication is the correct date of publication for<br>
most papers, but anyone who's dealt with taxonomic literature knows<br>
that there are many, many exceptions to that.)<br>
<br>
I'm not sure that they actually want:<br>
taxon name ==> actual original publication (full-text)<br>
<br>
Which is why I start thinking about a GUID for the curated, corrected<br>
bibliographic metadata as something distinct from a GUID for the<br>
actual publication.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
-Dean<br>
--<br>
Dean Pentcheff<br>
<a href="mailto:pentcheff@gmail.com">pentcheff@gmail.com</a><br>
<a href="mailto:dpentche@nhm.org">dpentche@nhm.org</a><br>
<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Peter DeVries <<a href="mailto:pete.devries@gmail.com">pete.devries@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi Chris,<br>
> You are missing one of the main benefits of Linked Data.<br>
> Users do not want to curate their own bibliographic databases and related<br>
> RDF, they want to simply link to a globally unique, resolvable identifier<br>
> for that citation.<br>
> For example: Felis concolor Linnaeus 1771<br>
> Linnaeus 1771 <= What specific publication is this?<br>
> "Felis concolor" hasOriginalDescription<br>
> <<a href="http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/citation/234123412" target="_blank">http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/citation/234123412</a>><br>
> If the BHL exposed semantic web URI's for each publication, then content<br>
> experts could search the BHL, find it, and then link to it with a simple<br>
> resolvable URI.<br>
> The alternative is that Steve, et al., will create their own identifiers for<br>
> specific publications, code their own local bibliographic databases.<br>
> In essence, each group or individual then continues to duplicate the efforts<br>
> of others.<br>
> Right now, I have duplicated your functionality in my species concepts.<br>
> Ideally, I would have done this:<br>
> <SpeciesConcept> hasOriginalDescription<br>
> <<a href="http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/citation/234123412" target="_blank">http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/citation/234123412</a>><br>
> <SpeciesConcept><br>
> hasRevisionalDescription <<a href="http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/citation/234124356" target="_blank">http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/citation/234124356</a>><br>
> Not only are my concepts then linked to your citations, any other data sets<br>
> that link to your citations are findable.<br>
> For instance, who else has data sets that link to this citation?<br>
> To see how this works on the live LOD cloud check out. <a href="http://bit.ly/fChHwJ" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/fChHwJ</a><br>
> Browse through the related Linked Data Sets - in particular the has close<br>
> match links.<br>
> - Pete<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Chris Freeland <<a href="mailto:Chris.Freeland@mobot.org">Chris.Freeland@mobot.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Ooops, to clarify my very last example, we actually would support "Pallas<br>
>> 1767" if properly parsed:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/openurl?aulast=Pallas&date=1767&format=xml" target="_blank">http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/openurl?aulast=Pallas&date=1767&format=xml</a><br>
>><br>
>> What we don't yet support & need to is linking at article citation level.<br>
>> That's where our newly (quietly) launched CiteBank <a href="http://citebank.org" target="_blank">http://citebank.org</a> comes<br>
>> in, and what we're hoping to receive funding to expand.<br>
>><br>
>> Chris<br>
>> ________________________________<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</a><br>
>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Chris Freeland<br>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 1:57 PM<br>
>> To: Peter DeVries; Steve Baskauf<br>
>> Cc: <a href="mailto:tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [tdwg-content] GUIDs for publications (usages and names)<br>
>><br>
>> Steve, Pete, et al.,<br>
>><br>
>> BHL has an OpenURL resolver that can accept a variety of input criteria &<br>
>> return matching records with responses in JSON (with or without callback),<br>
>> XML, HTML, or a direct link. Documentation is here:<br>
>> <a href="http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/openurlhelp.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/openurlhelp.aspx</a><br>
>><br>
>> And linked from our broader documentation here:<br>
>> <a href="http://biodivlib.wikispaces.com/Developer+Tools+and+API" target="_blank">http://biodivlib.wikispaces.com/Developer+Tools+and+API</a><br>
>> Here's an example, referenced in the documentation, for querying on a<br>
>> monograph/book:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/openurl?genre=book&title=Manual+of+North+American+Diptera&aufirst=Samuel+Wendell&aulast=Williston&publisher=New+Haven+:J.T.+Hathaway,&date=1908&spage=16&format=xml" target="_blank">http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/openurl?genre=book&title=Manual+of+North+American+Diptera&aufirst=Samuel+Wendell&aulast=Williston&publisher=New+Haven+:J.T.+Hathaway,&date=1908&spage=16&format=xml</a><br>
>><br>
>> You can also query based on common abbreviations, like Sp. Pl.:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/openurl?stitle=Sp.%20Pl.&date=1753&format=xml" target="_blank">http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/openurl?stitle=Sp.%20Pl.&date=1753&format=xml</a><br>
>><br>
>> MOBOT's Tropicos uses the OpenURL resolver to link to protologues, as in<br>
>> this example:<br>
>> <a href="http://www.tropicos.org/Name/2735114" target="_blank">http://www.tropicos.org/Name/2735114</a><br>
>><br>
>> With Tropicos we have an authority record for each journal or monographic<br>
>> title. We match Tropicos' TitleID to BHL's TitleID & use that as a more<br>
>> direct link to the appropriate reference, but still send collation & other<br>
>> info to get to the appropriate page, as in this link:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/openurl?pid=title:626&volume=5&issue=&spage=244&date=1830" target="_blank">http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/openurl?pid=title:626&volume=5&issue=&spage=244&date=1830</a><br>
>><br>
>> I know that this is insufficient for zoology & other natural sciences<br>
>> beyond botany, where we need to be able to support citations like "Pallas<br>
>> 1767", which may or may not be preparsed into appropriate fields. A known<br>
>> problem, for sure, and one that we're eager to address, pending funding from<br>
>> NSF.<br>
>><br>
>> Chris<br>
>><br>
>> Chris Freeland | Director, Center for Biodiversity Informatics | Missouri<br>
>> Botanical Garden<br>
>> 4344 Shaw Blvd. | St. Louis, Missouri 63110 | 314.577.9548<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ________________________________<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</a><br>
>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Peter DeVries<br>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 1:33 PM<br>
>> To: Steve Baskauf<br>
>> Cc: <a href="mailto:tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org">tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [tdwg-content] GUIDs for publications (usages and names)<br>
>><br>
>> Hi Steve,<br>
>> I have been lobbying the BHL for this for some time. Most recently in this<br>
>> blog post.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.taxonconcept.org/taxonconcept-blog/2010/8/5/why-linked-open-data-makes-sense-for-biodiversity-informatic.html" target="_blank">http://www.taxonconcept.org/taxonconcept-blog/2010/8/5/why-linked-open-data-makes-sense-for-biodiversity-informatic.html</a><br>
>><br>
>> What I have realized is that, for many works that are out of copyright,<br>
>> Google books has already scanned and converted them to PDF.<br>
>> You can use these, even extract the relevant PDF pages as long as you keep<br>
>> the Google watermark.<br>
>> This is what I have done for the Cougar.<br>
>> <a href="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p.html" target="_blank">http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p.html</a><br>
>><br>
>> For more recent works you may be able to link to the article PDF. As in<br>
>> this spider example.<br>
>> <a href="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/2mqjL.html" target="_blank">http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/2mqjL.html</a><br>
>><br>
>> We also need a URI for to uniquely identify authors and in the absence of<br>
>> a better solution, I have been using, and in some cases creating, entries in<br>
>> Wikipedia which currently has over 5,000 taxonomic author profiles.<br>
>> This results in usable RDF via DBpedia. As you can see in the RDF in this<br>
>> example.<br>
>> <a href="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p.rdf" target="_blank">http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p.rdf</a><br>
>><br>
>> And in the Knowledge Base<br>
>><br>
>> <<a href="http://lsd.taxonconcept.org/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flod.taxonconcept.org%2Fses%2Fv6n7p%23OriginalDescription" target="_blank">http://lsd.taxonconcept.org/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flod.taxonconcept.org%2Fses%2Fv6n7p%23OriginalDescription</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> That said, I have also been experimenting with this.<br>
>> <a href="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/people/sci_people_1700.rdf" target="_blank">http://lod.taxonconcept.org/people/sci_people_1700.rdf</a><br>
>><br>
>> About: Carl Linnaeus <a href="http://bit.ly/gLgElf" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/gLgElf</a><br>
>> - Pete<br>
>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Steve Baskauf<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu">steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> I was reviewing some of the previous posts on taxon name usages in an<br>
>>> attempt to understand them better. I have learned that the Global Names<br>
>>> Index is an attempt to catalog taxon names and that it is possible to<br>
>>> generate a URI that points to a name there. Is there a parallel effort<br>
>>> to do the same thing for literature references? In other words, if I<br>
>>> want to describe the TNU:<br>
>>> Andropogon virginicus L. sec. Radford et al. (1968)<br>
>>> I think I could find a URI GUID for the name Andropogon virginicus .<br>
>>> But is there some place where I could find a unique identifier, or<br>
>>> better a URL, or best a URI providing RDF/XML for Linnaeus 1753 (the<br>
>>> author and publication for the name) and for Radford et al.1968 (the<br>
>>> author and publication that expresses the usage I'm intending).<br>
>>><br>
>>> I suppose that this question has previously been answered in the in the<br>
>>> many posts on taxon names, concepts, etc. However, since usually my<br>
>>> brain goes numb and my eyes glaze over in those threads, I probably<br>
>>> missed it.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Steve<br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D., Senior Lecturer<br>
>>> Vanderbilt University Dept. of Biological Sciences<br>
>>><br>
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