> Does that mean you dont need any additional literal term at all and all dwc terms should only be used with URI?<div><br></div><div>Yes, and it might be interesting to try this with those records for which the might be billions or at least tens of millions like occurrences. This would result in the the most efficient and least ambiguous data format.</div>
<div><br></div><div>By that I mean it might be interesting to try this with a test set and see how well it works and what people think.</div><div><br></div><div>I was thinking about the LSID addition because there are people that will want to track or include their LSID's.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If it is include in the vocabulary then they can. Those that don't will not have to put those in their records.</div><div><br></div><div>Also it seems that one of the biggest problems we have with the DarwinCore is that users have trouble interpreting what to put into the different fields. I think that what I am suggesting makes this easier to understand.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Many times it has been not been clear to me what to put in these different fields so I can imagine the situation is much worse for those who have have not been IT people for 22 years.</div><div><br></div>
<div>- Pete<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Markus Döring <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:m.doering@mac.com">m.doering@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">Does that mean you dont need any additional literal term at all and all dwc terms should only be used with URI?</div>
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> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Rutger Vos <<a href="mailto:rutgeraldo@gmail.com">rutgeraldo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> For labels, would it perhaps make sense to use skos:prefLabel and skos:altLabel?<br>
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> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Peter DeVries <<a href="mailto:pete.devries@gmail.com">pete.devries@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > Hi Steve,<br>
> > You are probably right that it might be best to use rdfs:Label, but I am<br>
> > thinking we might be able to get the same<br>
> > result my defining the string variants as subproperties of rdfs:Label.<br>
> > This would make them an rdfs:Label but a special kind of rdfs:Label.<br>
> > This is one of those things that I would test with Sindice and URIburner to<br>
> > see if they interpret these correctly.<br>
> > This would require a live vocabulary that Sindice could look at to determine<br>
> > that hasScientificName is to be<br>
> > treated as a rdfs:Label.<br>
> > - Pete<br>
> ><br>
> > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Steve Baskauf<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu">steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> Although this specific example deals with taxonomic name identifiers, it<br>
> >> is related to a previous discussion on this list about how we should use the<br>
> >> dwc:xxxxxID terms and other terms (such as recordedBy and identifiedBy) that<br>
> >> could have either a string (literal) or URI form. Although I don't really<br>
> >> want to see an unnecessary proliferation of Darwin Core terms, I think that<br>
> >> in the interest of clarity (particularly where RDF is involved) there either<br>
> >> should be multiple terms that make it clear what form of identifier is<br>
> >> expected, or else there should be an understanding that in RDF the default<br>
> >> for such a term is a URI which would then have an rdfs:Label property which<br>
> >> was the string form. I think the former would be preferable to the latter.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I came to this opinion when trying to write RDF describing an herbarium<br>
> >> specimen. The collector should be the dwc:recordedBy property of the<br>
> >> specimen. Optimally, there would be a database in which known collectors<br>
> >> were assigned URIs so that "Glen N. Montz", "Glen Montz", "G. N. Montz",<br>
> >> etc. would all be different labels for the same resource. However,<br>
> >> realistically, I'm not going to drop what I'm doing to set up such a<br>
> >> database (even if I were capable of doing it, which I'm not). So I ended up<br>
> >> just writing it as <dwc:recordedBy>Glen N. Montz</dwc:recordedBy> even<br>
> >> though I knew it wasn't probably the best thing. In a large Occurrence<br>
> >> database that was compiled from the RDF created by a lot of people, there<br>
> >> might end up being a mixture of strings and URIs for dwc:recordedBy<br>
> >> properties of the specimens. It seems to me like it would be better to have<br>
> >> properties like dwc:recordedBy for strings and dwc:recordedByURI for a<br>
> >> corresponding URI (and I suppose dwc:recordedByLSID if anyone wants to use<br>
> >> it). Of course, this would require a number of term additions to DwC and<br>
> >> clarification in the DwC documentation that the generic version was intended<br>
> >> for strings.<br>
> >><br>
> >> With respect to the example<br>
> >> <dwc:hasScientificNameLSID<br>
> >> rdf:resource="urn:lsid:catalogueoflife.org:taxon:24e7d624-60a7-102d-be47-00304854f810:ac2010"/><br>
> >> I think you are right that (with the possible exception of rdfs:seeAlso)<br>
> >> there is an expectation that an rdf:resource attribute will be a resolvable<br>
> >> URI that produces RDF. So<br>
> >><br>
> >> <dwc:hasScientificNameLSID>urn:lsid:catalogueoflife.org:taxon:24e7d624-60a7-102d-be47-00304854f810:ac2010</dwc:hasScientificNameLSID><br>
> >> is probably better.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Steve<br>
> >><br>
> >> Peter DeVries wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> I have been thinking about the following pattern. In part after looking at<br>
> >> the GBIF vocabulary.<br>
> >> I am not sure if it is even a good idea but might be worth some<br>
> >> discussion.<br>
> >> For those fields that have both a string and "ID" form maybe the following<br>
> >> pattern might be useful<br>
> >> hasScientificName = string form<br>
> >> hasScientificNameURI = Resolvable LOD compliant identifier<br>
> >> hasScientificNameLSID = LSID identifier which could be resolvable once you<br>
> >> add the "http:proxy" etc.<br>
> >> This allows all three forms to be included if desired, it also provides a<br>
> >> hint as to how the field should be interpreted or resolved.<br>
> >> One group could also provide a mapping service so that each record does<br>
> >> not need to include all three forms, but would allow systems<br>
> >> to find the matching LSID for a given URI or vs. versa.<br>
> >> My concern was that it would be difficult to infer how a scientificNameID<br>
> >> should be interpreted by other systems.<br>
> >> Is this an LSD, is it a URI, is it a UUID etc. ?<br>
> >> This impacts the structure of the RDF.<br>
> >> * Note that the actual identifiers might not be correct, the example below<br>
> >> is more about the form of the RDF<br>
> >> * For instance, I don't think it is probably correct to see the COL LSID<br>
> >> as just a namestring<br>
> >> * Also in this example the GNI name does not exactly match the string name<br>
> >> <dwc:hasScientificName>Puma concolor (Linnaeus<br>
> >> 1771)</dwc:hasScientificName><br>
> >> <dwc:hasScientificNameURI<br>
> >> rdf:resource="<a href="http://gni.globalnames.org/name_strings/6c3dc35f-d901-5cc5-b9c8-ad241069b9f8" target="_blank">http://gni.globalnames.org/name_strings/6c3dc35f-d901-5cc5-b9c8-ad241069b9f8</a>"/><br>
> >> <dwc:hasScientificNameLSID<br>
> >> rdf:resource="urn:lsid:catalogueoflife.org:taxon:24e7d624-60a7-102d-be47-00304854f810:ac2010"/><br>
> >> Some system may choke on the LSID form assuming that it uses a standard<br>
> >> resolution mechanism<br>
> >> So it might be best to use this form<br>
> >><br>
> >> <dwc:hasScientificNameLSID>urn:lsid:catalogueoflife.org:taxon:24e7d624-60a7-102d-be47-00304854f810:ac2010</dwc:hasScientificNameLSID><br>
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