Hi Anna and all,<br>
<br>
Two points on this:<br>
<ol>
<li>RDF does not stop you building nested structures, quite the
opposite. So long as the structure goes node-arc-node (or
Object-property-Object-property if you prefer) it can be nested as deep
as you like. You can therefore have an XML structure that both
vaildates against an XML Schema or DTD and is valid RDF (see
<a href="http://www.prismstandard.org">http://www.prismstandard.org</a> where they do this). This would be a good
way to think about designing XML Schema based documents even if you had
no intention of using RDF.<br>
</li>
<li>RDF is not a panacea. It would be crazy to try and describe
documents with it when one should be use XHTML or some other document
centric approach. It is good for 'metadata' (depending on what that is)
though.</li>
</ol>
There seems to be a rumour going round that everything is going to be RDF starting next week. This is news to me! <br>
<br>
It seems like a good idea to evaluate RDF as an interoperability
mechanism between standards though and the use of LSIDs suggests
heading in this direction to describe objects. Whether the objects
themselves are encoded in RDF is something else.<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
<br>
Roger<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 15/02/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Anna Weitzman</b> <<a href="mailto:Weitzman@si.edu">Weitzman@si.edu</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Good points. I wonder if TDWG-TAG will be the place for this larger, conceptual discussion?<br><br>>>> "Gregor Hagedorn" <<a href="mailto:G.Hagedorn@BBA.DE" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
G.Hagedorn@BBA.DE</a>> 15-Feb-2006 7:51:45 AM >>><br>> One comment following from the GUID meeting is that I believe we need to get<br>> serious about being able to represent our data models in RDF. This means
<br>> that the goal should indeed be for a "flat" (Darwin Core like) standard. If<br>> there are elements which hold nested complexity that we wish to represent,<br>> we should recognise that these are probably separate data objects which
<br>> should be modeled as separable components (with their own "flat" standards).<br>> The top level object can then have a property whose value is the identifier<br>> for one of the lower level components. Even if we choose to compose rich
<br>> documents with entire trees of object relationships, the underlying model<br>> should make these separations clear.<br><br>I am concerned about this, to me it seems to block the way into a future for <br>scientific data exchange.
<br><br>Flat list is great for advertising, (see e.g. DublinCore, DarwinCore or RSS), <br>but not really for exchanging complex data.<br><br>Completely forbidding any object aggregation would mean that each measurement <br>
of a specimen has a stand-alone resource... Or each author in a publication <br>(because authors have addresses, so they can not be just a list, the list <br>elements have structure).<br><br>Where can we discuss this issue which goes far beyond the TDWG-LIT?
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