<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br clear="all"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Thank you both for working this out and explaining the details.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">I do think it is less confusing to use the GBIF namespace for URNs, rather than append the GSC URIs. Citing the MIxS URI then allows people to find the original term.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Tim, would it help if we assigned URIs to the values in the CVs? That is our eventual plan.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Ramona</div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------------------------------<br>Ramona L. Walls, Ph.D.<br>Data Scientist, Ontologies, Semantics, and Metadata, Critical Path Institute</div><div dir="ltr">Assistant Research Professor, Bio5 Institute, University of Arizona</div></div><div>Part-time artist (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/omnivoresgratitutude/" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/omnivoresgratitutude/</a>)</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:21 PM Tim Robertson <<a href="mailto:trobertson@gbif.org">trobertson@gbif.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Thanks, Pier<br>
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We'll clearly state expectations in the description, and this will be kept as internal as it can be.<br>
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Using the example of the vocabulary of controlled terms for lib_layout[1] currently we have:<br>
<a href="https://w3id.org/gensc/terms/MIXS:0000041/vector" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://w3id.org/gensc/terms/MIXS:0000041/vector</a> <br>
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This could become something like the following e.g. <br>
<a href="https://rs.gbif.org/vocab/dna/lib_layout/vector" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://rs.gbif.org/vocab/dna/lib_layout/vector</a> <br>
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Would this be preferable to the GSC folk to avoid confusion, please?<br>
Note that the source from where it is derived will still be cited.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Tim<br>
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[1] <a href="https://rs.gbif.org/sandbox/vocabulary/mixs/lib_layout.xml" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://rs.gbif.org/sandbox/vocabulary/mixs/lib_layout.xml</a><br>
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On 22/06/2021, 17.41, "Pier Luigi Buttigieg" <<a href="mailto:pier.buttigieg@awi.de" target="_blank">pier.buttigieg@awi.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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Thanks Tim, this clarifies a great deal.<br>
<br>
Measures to make it clear that the URNs (wherever they appear, e.g. on <br>
documentation pages, lists...) used by legacy systems are not to be <br>
understood as resolvable or under the control/custodianship of the GSC <br>
would help.<br>
<br>
While technically valid, prefixing URNs with HTTP does indeed set a <br>
false expectation - anything that can mitigate that would be appreciated.<br>
<br>
On the GSC and TDWG side however, it would be very interesting to find <br>
out how to do this more sustainably by, e.g., sharing vocabulary files <br>
with all the metadata needed to, e.g., map to ontologies, qualify terms <br>
with comments, include provenance data, etc<br>
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On 22/06/2021 17:18, Tim Robertson wrote:<br>
> Thanks, Pier<br>
><br>
> Just for a bit of background - you're assuming these are IRIs, but the DwC-A work was all designed at a time when URNs were common and expectations of resolvability weren't as high as today.<br>
> The original design was really just to ensure a globally unique URN was used.<br>
><br>
> I think the concerns you raise are valid, and especially with the current intent to achieve resolvability for all the <a href="http://w3id.org/." rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">w3id.org/.</a>.. terms.<br>
> We do need a URN though, and I understand there isn't an intention to make resolvable terms for these concepts. The <a href="http://rs.gbif.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rs.gbif.org</a> namespace has been used for this kind of thing in the past, which might be an alternative option to lower expectations.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Tim<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 22/06/2021, 16.02, "dwc-mixs on behalf of Pier Luigi Buttigieg" <<a href="mailto:dwc-mixs-bounces@lists.tdwg.org" target="_blank">dwc-mixs-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</a> on behalf of <a href="mailto:pier.buttigieg@awi.de" target="_blank">pier.buttigieg@awi.de</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Dear TG, Dear Ramona (GSC CIG), Chris, Bill,<br>
><br>
> In our DwC-MIxS mapping activity, we noted a practice to support the IPT<br>
> to generate "picklists" (for drop-down menus etc) by adding extensions<br>
> to IRIs.<br>
><br>
> This was suggested as a means to link the values to keys in<br>
> terminology-focused fields.<br>
><br>
> You can see the link to the "picklists" in the tracker:<br>
> <a href="https://github.com/tdwg/gbwg/tree/main/dwc-mixs/dwc#vocabularies" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/tdwg/gbwg/tree/main/dwc-mixs/dwc#vocabularies</a><br>
><br>
> An example is available in [1] and looks like:<br>
> dc:URI='<a href="https://w3id.org/gensc/terms/MIXS:0000005/contigs" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://w3id.org/gensc/terms/MIXS:0000005/contigs</a>'<br>
><br>
> I'm not quite sure about this and would like your input. To me, it seems<br>
> like a very strange way to modify an identifier *issued by another<br>
> standards group* in order to help a tool generate dropdown menu.<br>
><br>
> It essential creates a false impression that there's something<br>
> standardised on the other end of that IRI that may or may not be the case.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Pier Luigi<br>
><br>
> [1]<br>
> <a href="https://github.com/tdwg/gbwg/blob/main/dwc-mixs/dwc/vocabulary/contam_screen_input.xml" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/tdwg/gbwg/blob/main/dwc-mixs/dwc/vocabulary/contam_screen_input.xml</a><br>
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